I tried that for 1st time against Veve, I'm not as flexible as i once was so she just tied my hands legs an ankles, she did it very easily. I was suprised how tight the knots were, couldn't move at all. Than i was at her mercy for 10 minutes an put in a variety of holds. She untied me an we went back to her kicking my butt in wrestling. Veve is all around awesome