Acceptability in China?

[DeVore]

As many of you would agree, I believe there are many beautiful, talented bodybuilders of Asian heritage.  Unfortunately, my knowledge of the culture of mainland China is sorely lacking.  Does anyone know more about China, specifically how society views female bodybuilding?  Is the sport generally encouraged for women, or are there the same old-fashioned social conventions about gender roles that we still deal with in the U.S.?  I was just curious if China would potentially be a source of new talent to reinvigorate the sport.  Thanks.

[DeVore]

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[miketom2662]

china is the only country in the world where natural muscular girls are You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login most ladies are doing man You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login it is common for you to see ladies h biceps there .in village about 80% woman have biceps

[FBBrocks]

have been traveled around korea, taiwan and china lot.  FBB/fitness women's physique is far more acceptable in korea than it is in China and Taiwan, especially China, women with muscle are often viewed as abomination in majority cities in China, male just don't know how to deal with them or how to define them.  though women China has most naturally gifted physique.  tall on average, large frame, big and shapy legs(even without exercise)  the only problem is, most of them spend most their lives think about how to be smaller.  please refer to that calf reduction surgery thread of mine. 

[kevin1]

^^^

2 of the more ignorant/uninformed posts on a forum bursting with them.

[FBBrocks]

^^^

2 of the more ignorant/uninformed posts on a forum bursting with them.

then share some details and facts show us how "insightful" and "informed" you are.  Mr. I know it all. 

[kevin1]

have been traveled around korea, taiwan and china lot.  FBB/fitness women's physique is far more acceptable in korea than it is in China and Taiwan, especially China, women with muscle are often viewed as abomination in majority cities in China, male just don't know how to deal with them or how to define them.  though women China has most naturally gifted physique. tall on average, large frame, big and shapy legs(even without exercise)  the only problem is, most of them spend most their lives think about how to be smaller.  please refer to that calf reduction surgery thread of mine.

The average European/American white woman is about 5'6". The average Chinese woman is about 5'2". That means that Chinese woman are not "tall on average" as you claim, they are actually just the opposite - they are short on average. I won't even get in to your description of Chinese woman as large framed with big and shapely legs. I think most people would describe them as scrawny with no ass.

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[justsomedude]

hmm... there are some uncompromising comments being posted here. I just wish to comment without having to argue.


Metropolitan Han Chinese  don't tend to have larger frames nor "gifted physiques" on average. Generally you see this with the blue collar and hard laborers who are constantly lifting, moving, and chowing down protein in between. If Epigenetics is to be believed, ...it runs generations deep.

In areas like Dalian and Guangzhou you can see many more tall and robustly built Chinese women than you can in say, more populated areas like Beijing and Shanghai. Zhuang people tend to be larger and more robust than Han Chinese, as well.


furthermore,

There are plenty of naturally muscular women in areas of the world where the 1) weather is harsh, 2) a high volume of physical labor is essential AND  animal protein abundant diets are standard.  i.e. areas of Northern Europe, Brazil, Mongolia


And yes, I have spent quite a bit of time in these areas.

[FBBrocks]

have been traveled around korea, taiwan and china lot.  FBB/fitness women's physique is far more acceptable in korea than it is in China and Taiwan, especially China, women with muscle are often viewed as abomination in majority cities in China, male just don't know how to deal with them or how to define them.  though women China has most naturally gifted physique. tall on average, large frame, big and shapy legs(even without exercise)  the only problem is, most of them spend most their lives think about how to be smaller.  please refer to that calf reduction surgery thread of mine.

The average European/American white woman is about 5'6". The average Chinese woman is about 5'2". That means that Chinese woman are not "tall on average" as you claim, they are actually just the opposite - they are short on average. I won't even get in to your description of Chinese woman as large framed with big and shapely legs. I think most people would describe them as scrawny with no ass.

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LOL!! now speak of ignorance. even by your own source's rough information, European's average height is 5'4-5'5 due to small population density. that 5'2-5'3 "average height of Chinese female" from the paper is factored out from 3 different racial group(technically) of 1.3 billion population.(guess your college teacher didn't tell you never use to wiki as proper source)     

taking data solely from a couple cities from northern China, from Chinese who are genetically northeast asian(cities with population of 1-2 european counties combined) according to census 2006-2013, height of northern Chinese female is @ 5'5-5'7  comparable or taller to European female average.

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Plus when I said  "tall on average and large frame" I was implying when compare to their asian peers, I wasn't even intentionally compare Chinese's average height to European/Americans(northern chinese might or might not teller) 

"I won't even get in to your description of Chinese woman as large framed with big and shapely legs. I think most people would describe them as scrawny with no ass." and most people wouldn't believe a Caucasian/black woman under 280lb even exist. 

[femwrest]

As many of you would agree, I believe there are many beautiful, talented bodybuilders of Asian heritage.  Unfortunately, my knowledge of the culture of mainland China is sorely lacking.  Does anyone know more about China, specifically how society views female bodybuilding?  Is the sport generally encouraged for women, or are there the same old-fashioned social conventions about gender roles that we still deal with in the U.S.?  I was just curious if China would potentially be a source of new talent to reinvigorate the sport.  Thanks.

Well I'm Chinese so I shall share my 2 cents worth.  Not Chinese Chinese as in I'm not from China.  My great great great great ancestors were from China so yeah.  China, like many Asian countries, generally has a conservative society.  Oh sure, Japanese AV models are doing a roaring business and there are tons of wrestling (both pro as well as sexual type) videos from Japan.  But in general, Japan is still a conservative country.  And its not just Japan, most Asian countries are still largely conservative.

If you talk about old fashioned social conventions about gender roles, the West is miles ahead of Asia.  Many people in Asia still believe its better to have sons than daughters and that women should stay at home while men go and work.  Tell someone in Asia that you are a "house husband" and you would more likely than not, get stares.  Behind your back, people will probably comment that you are are a useless man who can't make a living, hence you need to depend on your wife to earn money.

So yeah, Asia is still generally still very conservative and old fashioned.  With that said, Asia in general is still pretty much "shocked" at  the concept of women with muscles.  I believe in the West, a FBB can probably go about her daily business with just a couple of stares.  In Asia, a FBB is likely to get stares all around every where she goes.  I would not say women in Asia are discouraged from building muscles and competing in bodybuilding or body fitness contests.  But the attitude is different. 

The older generation of women in Asia are probably not even familiar with the concept of women with muscles.  Its probably totally alien to them.  Kinda like how a North Korean or a Taliban has probably never heard of gays, lesbians and transvestites and are unable to understand the concept.  The younger generation of women who are exposed to the working world and have access to mainstream media, are definitely more open to such concept and are aware of the existence of FBBs.  But many probably are not interested in packing on muscles, let alone competing in bodybuilding of body fitness.

That is not to say Asian women shun exercise.  Many young generation Asian women adopt healthy lifestyles and exercise.  Gym, yoga, kick-boxing, etc you name it.  But its more for shedding pounds and/or keeping fit.  Very few Asian women place emphasis on building muscles.  If you talk about fitness, their main concern is being slim and living healthy.  They are aware of FBBs and probably even fitness models/physique competitors but have not even the slightest intention of joining their ranks.

Some Asian countries have a larger number of FBBs/fitness models/physique competitors.  Japan and Korea come to mind.  Could be due to their large population and also because they are exposed more to Western ideas than other Asian countries.  China is up and coming but still pretty far behind Japan and Korea in terms of the number of female muscle athletes and the acceptability of these women.  There are muscle women in other Asian countries too.  Vietnam, Malaysia, Singapore, Indonesia, etc all have muscle women.  But obviously not as many as Korea, Japan or China.   

[FBBrocks]

hmm... there are some uncompromising comments being posted here. I just wish to comment without having to argue.


Metropolitan Han Chinese  don't tend to have larger frames nor "gifted physiques" on average. Generally you see this with the blue collar and hard laborers who are constantly lifting, moving, and chowing down protein in between. If Epigenetics is to be believed, ...it runs generations deep.

In areas like Dalian and Guangzhou you can see many more tall and robustly built Chinese women than you can in say, more populated areas like Beijing and Shanghai. Zhuang people tend to be larger and more robust than Han Chinese, as well.



furthermore,

There are plenty of naturally muscular women in areas of the world where the 1) weather is harsh, 2) a high volume of physical labor is essential AND  animal protein abundant diets are standard.  i.e. areas of Northern Europe, Brazil, Mongolia


And yes, I have spent quite a bit of time in these areas.

stats and annual censuses proved you wrong, even northern Chinese from rural areas are taller and bigger than Chinese from Guanzhou and southern Chinese from urban area.  also from personal experience, people from GuanZhou are nowhere as tall as those from Shanghai and Beijing(though I noticed they are getting taller bit by bit)  while environment and nutrition do play heavy roles in height and size, I still need to point out that first dominant factor is genetic.

"Han Chinese" is nothing but a political and culture frame, first you have different racial group among "han chinese" then different ethnics from the same racial group. as you may know, Guanzhou and Dalian are nearly 1000 miles apart, biologically "Chinese" from each city belong to the different racial group. 

" If Epigenetics is to be believed, ...it runs generations deep. " yes, partly, once again, genetic and nutation, please see above.  men/women from each racial group always show a couple distinguishable features. I'm a leg man, so I only wish to talk about legs(for this reason I only find east asian attractive) there are some stunning looking Caucasian, latinos, blacks chicks out there, but I almost never spot a pair of decent legs from any of them, from all the fitness/athlete chicks I've met, they are either ugly bulky elephant legs with no definition on tight to calf or just bird legs with tiny calf, regardless the amount or kind of  supplement they intake.  a pair of large calf/thighs with beautiful definition on a slim waist almost only happened on east asian chicks, even those who never exercise. though this is just my personal observation     

[femwrest]

I can't remember which forum I read this but there was a thread on women with muscular calves.  One chap commented that Asian women have the best calves and another chap responded that this is due to the fact that many of them wear high heels.

There is an element of truth there.  I don't know how common it is for women in the West to wear high heels but let's talk about Asia.  Go around any modern Asian city and observe the young female working crowd particularly those who work in offices.  99% of them are in high heels.  Asian women are generally not very tall hence this love for high heels.  Some even wear crazy heels as high as 4 to 5 inches!!! 

Walking around all day, up and down the stairs, running after the bus, etc in high heels would definitely give your calves a good work out.  That is why the average Asian woman who works in the office will have pretty decent calves.  Ok no where close to FBB standard but pretty decent calve muscles, some even on par with fitness models but of course not physique competitors or FBBs.  Now if these ladies happen to be into fitness and go jogging, work out in the gym, etc of course their muscles get even more toned including their calves.   

[femwrest]

Han Chinese" is nothing but a political and culture frame, first you have different racial group among "han chinese" then different ethnics from the same racial group. as you may know, Guanzhou and Dalian are nearly 1000 miles apart, biologically "Chinese" from each city belong to the different racial group. 

I'm not going to get drawn into a debate about politics but as a Chinese, I can tell you that most Chinese simply refer to ourselves by dialect group.  Teochew, Cantonese, Hokkien, Hakka, etc etc.  You seldom if ever hear someone proclaim "I am a Han Chinese".

[mike138]

  I think that female bodybuilding in china is in a development state.
Ten or twenty years from know you see lots of female bodybuilders in Asia/china.

[crimson_E_86]

All the men in China saw Cory Everson's scene in "Double Impact" where she kills the guy. It was an unanimous decision to not have their women look like Cory in fear what women would do to them if they had that kind of muscles. 

[Chip101]

have been traveled around korea, taiwan and china lot.  FBB/fitness women's physique is far more acceptable in korea than it is in China and Taiwan, especially China, women with muscle are often viewed as abomination in majority cities in China, male just don't know how to deal with them or how to define them.  though women China has most naturally gifted physique. tall on average, large frame, big and shapy legs(even without exercise)  the only problem is, most of them spend most their lives think about how to be smaller.  please refer to that calf reduction surgery thread of mine.

The average European/American white woman is about 5'6". The average Chinese woman is about 5'2". That means that Chinese woman are not "tall on average" as you claim, they are actually just the opposite - they are short on average. I won't even get in to your description of Chinese woman as large framed with big and shapely legs. I think most people would describe them as scrawny with no ass.

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Holy Shit this guy linked to a wiki page! He is a true badass!!. No body tempt his far superior intellect!!


IMO about china.    Patriarchal society + communism= negative views on female bodybuilding