Black book

[lll]

I realize that this may seem like a weird or paranoid question but here goes....I am considering booking a session and I assume that like many others on here I have a family.

One of my concerns of doing a session is if a provider ever has a problem in the future.... a black book or even a look at their email could occur as part of an investigation in which I would then be subject to which would "out" me even if I was innocent of any wrongdoing.  Has this ever happened with a session provider?

The recent Maine prostitution ring is an example of what I am referring to.  These men certainly thought they had come off unscathed only to find out later that they were in serious trouble because of records/tapes being kept by the provider.

I realize that the Maine case was prostitution and sessions may only be wrestling but was wondering if others share my concern of being outed and am wondering what thoughts or suggestions you have on this topic.

I am not looking for any illegal activities to occur in my session, but agaim am concerned about a "paper trail"

[lll]

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[luvto]

Besides the obvious precautions (use an anonymous e-mail, pay cash only, and don't give out your real name), I don't think there is much to worry about as long as you are in it only for the "sport".   If anyone asks what you are doing , tell them the truth - you are working out with a professional trainer.  No law against that and, in the case of the wrestlers, the mats on the floor are your proof. 

[fbbadmirer]

This is an interesting point. I do think there is a low probability of this happening in the session world for a reason that has been pointed out here before. Law enforcement tends to go for low hanging fruit, whereas we are in a fetish subculture. Many here, myself included, have confessed to having a lust for muscular women for years before we found out that sessions existed. That is how far under the radar this world exists.

There are cases where fbbs have been busted for solicitation, but they had advertised on places like backpage, if I recall.

[raraparu]

Besides the obvious precautions (use an anonymous e-mail, pay cash only, and don't give out your real name), I don't think there is much to worry about as long as you are in it only for the "sport".   If anyone asks what you are doing , tell them the truth - you are working out with a professional trainer.  No law against that and, in the case of the wrestlers, the mats on the floor are your proof.

That,s why almost all the session ladies will say no extras in a session, even if they give them.

[Warhawk Overdrive]

This is an interesting point. I do think there is a low probability of this happening in the session world for a reason that has been pointed out here before. Law enforcement tends to go for low hanging fruit, whereas we are in a fetish subculture. Many here, myself included, have confessed to having a lust for muscular women for years before we found out that sessions existed. That is how far under the radar this world exists.

There are cases where fbbs have been busted for solicitation, but they had advertised on places like backpage, if I recall.

I think if a woman (or man) puts ads anywhere on the internet then it is all low hanging fruit for police. I have wondered sometimes why the women on sites like eros and backpage are not being busted left and right. Those web sites sound like the place vice cops would go at the end of the month when they have not met their quota. And it may be getting even easier since I have heard some places are changing that "Are you a cop?" rule 

[Jonas]

This is an interesting point. I do think there is a low probability of this happening in the session world for a reason that has been pointed out here before. Law enforcement tends to go for low hanging fruit, whereas we are in a fetish subculture. Many here, myself included, have confessed to having a lust for muscular women for years before we found out that sessions existed. That is how far under the radar this world exists.

There are cases where fbbs have been busted for solicitation, but they had advertised on places like backpage, if I recall.

I think if a woman (or man) puts ads anywhere on the internet then it is all low hanging fruit for police. I have wondered sometimes why the women on sites like eros and backpage are not being busted left and right. Those web sites sound like the place vice cops would go at the end of the month when they have not met their quota. And it may be getting even easier since I have heard some places are changing that "Are you a cop?" rule 

"Are you a cop" was never a rule.  The only way someone can claim entrapment is if the cop makes the offer first.  If someone is offering sex for money, the cop is free to lie his ass off.   The only way around it is to never discuss sex, and even then it's shaky.  I just think that the benefits outweigh the costs at this point and the women look at getting busted as the cost of doing business.

[Muscluva]

This is an interesting point. I do think there is a low probability of this happening in the session world for a reason that has been pointed out here before. Law enforcement tends to go for low hanging fruit, whereas we are in a fetish subculture. Many here, myself included, have confessed to having a lust for muscular women for years before we found out that sessions existed. That is how far under the radar this world exists.

There are cases where fbbs have been busted for solicitation, but they had advertised on places like backpage, if I recall.

I think if a woman (or man) puts ads anywhere on the internet then it is all low hanging fruit for police. I have wondered sometimes why the women on sites like eros and backpage are not being busted left and right. Those web sites sound like the place vice cops would go at the end of the month when they have not met their quota. And it may be getting even easier since I have heard some places are changing that "Are you a cop?" rule 

"Are you a cop" was never a rule.  The only way someone can claim entrapment is if the cop makes the offer first.  If someone is offering sex for money, the cop is free to lie his ass off.   The only way around it is to never discuss sex, and even then it's shaky.  I just think that the benefits outweigh the costs at this point and the women look at getting busted as the cost of doing business.

This makes me glad that I live in a country where two adults a free to get up to whatever they want in private as long as both consent; whether money changes hands is irrelevant.

[nujerz84]

I had Carmella Cureton ask if I was a cop and for ID (only time it ever happened in any of my sessions) granted I could pass of as a teenager lol even more so then when I was younger

[Jonas]

I realize that this may seem like a weird or paranoid question but here goes....I am considering booking a session and I assume that like many others on here I have a family.

One of my concerns of doing a session is if a provider ever has a problem in the future.... a black book or even a look at their email could occur as part of an investigation in which I would then be subject to which would "out" me even if I was innocent of any wrongdoing.  Has this ever happened with a session provider?

The recent Maine prostitution ring is an example of what I am referring to.  These men certainly thought they had come off unscathed only to find out later that they were in serious trouble because of records/tapes being kept by the provider.

I realize that the Maine case was prostitution and sessions may only be wrestling but was wondering if others share my concern of being outed and am wondering what thoughts or suggestions you have on this topic.

I am not looking for any illegal activities to occur in my session, but agaim am concerned about a "paper trail"

Look, unless the woman is taping you, which is almost unheard of outside of that Maine case, there's nothing they can bust you on and you won't have any blowback.  You're not a celebrity, so it's not even worth them putting you on the stand just to shame you with no concrete evidence ala Charlie Sheen.  I think you would have more to worry from the woman randomly contacting you saying that she was in town and asking if you wanted a session (at an inopportune time, say when your wife is using your phone to make a call) than anything the police could do.  If you're that worried, get a burner phone and just use that to make your session calls. 

[fbbadmirer]

Just being on the internet is hardly enough, I think. Cops also tend to go for cases that will generate headlines and good publicity too. That includes cases of human trafficking, pimps, drug use (crack, heroin, meth etc) and underage women. You DO NOT get that here in muscle fetish world.

There are many fetishes out there, as channels like TLC and Discovery have shown us. Believe me, cops do not have the time to into worlds where men who like muscular women, people who are turned on by alopecia (natural baldness), people who want to have sex with amputees, blind women and whatever other fetishes that may be out there.

If you are so worried, then avoid fbbers who also advertise on places like eros and backpage. I think everybody will agree when I say that no police department will log onto You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to set up a sting.

[paultrevayne]

Most of the time it's there,you can count on it

[Jonas]

I agree with the poster that said your bigger danger is them calling at a bad time. Any "Black Book" is likely blended with the numbers on the phone or computer address book. Unless she puts in the notes under "Bob" something like "BJ to full extension, bicep flex/fuck cock before strap-on sodomization" you're probably safe because there's a lot that can go on in sessions that's perfectly legal.

Reminds me on the other end that "Nina Muscle" and her psychotic former friend "Chyna Smith" both were incredibly paranoid about police. I think when I first saw each, I had to show ID, proof of where I worked and, in Chyna's case, tell her Nina's apartment number (luckily I have a good memory for such things) after I said I'd seen her. Then again, both advertised in our little world and under "escorts" on backpage and eros.

Nina was always really nice to me, and we even went out a few times outside of sessions.  But Chyna told me some of the shit that Nina did to her, personally, and some of the stuff Nina did to other customers which led to Nina getting deported.   It sounded like Nina was probably just as crazy as Chyna.  I would find it hard to believe what Chyna said about Nina, but Nina did get kicked out of the country.  Sounds like they were birds of a feather.

I remember when Chyna was interrogating customers.  It was after her first prostitution bust.  But if her and Nina would've stayed off backpage, they wouldn't have gotten busted.

[xerxes]

Jonas,
I tried setting up sessions with both Chyna and Nina. I found it extremely difficult to communicate with either one via email. With Nina I had a session all set up and for reasons unknown she decided that I wasn't who I said I was and she cancelled our session.
With Chyna, I found it difficult to setup an appointment and her English even more difficult. I wanted to meet her when she came to NYC but it didn't work out. I found her directions for arranging a session too much trouble. I've sessioned with so many other women with absolutely no issues, but these two by far were the most difficult to arrange anything.
Just out of curiosity, did you tell Nina and/or Chyna maybe they shouldn't advertise on back page?

[racyc]

This is an interesting point. I do think there is a low probability of this happening in the session world for a reason that has been pointed out here before. Law enforcement tends to go for low hanging fruit, whereas we are in a fetish subculture. Many here, myself included, have confessed to having a lust for muscular women for years before we found out that sessions existed. That is how far under the radar this world exists.

There are cases where fbbs have been busted for solicitation, but they had advertised on places like backpage, if I recall.

I think if a woman (or man) puts ads anywhere on the internet then it is all low hanging fruit for police. I have wondered sometimes why the women on sites like eros and backpage are not being busted left and right. Those web sites sound like the place vice cops would go at the end of the month when they have not met their quota. And it may be getting even easier since I have heard some places are changing that "Are you a cop?" rule 

"Are you a cop" was never a rule.  The only way someone can claim entrapment is if the cop makes the offer first.  If someone is offering sex for money, the cop is free to lie his ass off.   The only way around it is to never discuss sex, and even then it's shaky.  I just think that the benefits outweigh the costs at this point and the women look at getting busted as the cost of doing business.

That's right...I don't know why that "are you a cop?" thing is always being promoted as some kind of get out of jail free card, it's bullshit. It was never a valid defense. That would be waaaay to easy, if it were true.

You're right, the first one to suggest an illegal act is the one who loses. Another thing that works is to get the suspected cop to voluntarily expose his naughty bits before any business. Of course the cop wants to get the perp to mention a price first, then his case is made....

[fbbadmirer]

it wouldn't surprise me if Chyna GOT Nina deported. Nina told me her version of why she and Chyna fell out and it fit Chyna's behavior, which I've always seen to be far more unbalanced with me and others than Nina's. Chyna even laughed with me over her reputation for being crazy.

I am curious about the background to this, someone got deported??? Please explain if you can for those of us who missed this episode.