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Re: Romania Pro/Muscle Fest 2019
« Reply #180 on: November 10, 2019, 08:58:29 pm »
You can always claim about "total package" but what "total package" did Helle have at Phoenix, completely lacking symmetry and being short of mass, her muscles only looking harder and more striated as with Monia. So "total package" has become the whitewashed expression for conditioning.
You can admire Monia - and I do - for her progress and determination in the sport, while recognizing that her look that day is an important component of why she won and that look is bad. I obviously don't mean bad in the sport but bad in other ways. Some of us can remember when bodybuilding, specifically female bodybuilding was on ESPN regularly and it wasn't just because they were searching for programming to run. People act like the timing for that coverage ending was some coincidence, it wasn't. ESPN has no reason to touch a sport where 'that look' is the goal and that should tell us something. Even the winning look in pro physique is starting to head over the cliff. This isn't even about Nataliya really, the sport pushes away many whom it should want to attract on both the fan side and the competitor side.

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Re: Romania Pro/Muscle Fest 2019
« Reply #181 on: November 11, 2019, 04:16:03 am »
Nataliya has competed as a bodybuilder what, three times in her life? Monia is a multiple NAC world champion. To put it bluntly: Nataliya doesn't know how to pose, or how to diet down while keeping as much mass as possible, how to bring out her separation between her colossal muscles, or how to bring out details in her back. I'm pretty sure she also has to learn about carb loading, she was way too flat on stage. I've seen competitors struggle at first and then eventually learn all this: Aleesha and Virginia and even Margie have all been there.

It's not necessarily that she needs to do more extreme stuff: she just needs to do it right, more likely than not.

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Re: Romania Pro/Muscle Fest 2019
« Reply #182 on: November 11, 2019, 07:14:00 am »
All competing is about "dieting down"? Nataliya had far better abs, not to speak about muscle quality, muscle density, muscle fullness, symmetry, an incredible shoulders to waist ratio, before even talking about the most breathtakening X shape ever. No wonder that even after finishing only second, all attention centered only around her, everyone wanted a picture only with her, Monia stayed embarrassingly alone after the competition. So yes, she might have won the contest because she pleased judges more, she brought the "whole package" , a recently widely used whitewashed expression for conditioning, but fans in Romania showed clearly how they want to see FBB. There couldn't be a clearer saying

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Re: Romania Pro/Muscle Fest 2019
« Reply #183 on: November 11, 2019, 06:22:07 pm »
All competing is about "dieting down"?

No, but definition and fullness (i.e. not looking carb depleted/flat) are very important aspects. You cannot see the muscles in their full glory if these are not right. I've seen Nataliya on cam a couple of weeks before the show, and she should have looked much better on stage if she had nailed the last phase of her prep.

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Nataliya had far better abs, not to speak about muscle quality, muscle density, muscle fullness, symmetry

Better abs – yes. Quality, density, fullness – absolutely not. With all due respect, it almost looks like you are just throwing words around without caring for their meanings. Monia is literally years ahead of Nataliya in these areas.

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an incredible shoulders to waist ratio

Actually, her waist is not that narrow from the front, but luckily, her shoulders are incredibly wide to balance that out.

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before even talking about the most breathtakening X shape ever.

I agree. Nataliya could be the best bodybuilder who ever lived. However, she needs to get some things right first. But she has the muscle… and then some.

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No wonder that even after finishing only second, all attention centered only around her, everyone wanted a picture only with her, Monia stayed embarrassingly alone after the competition. So yes, she might have won the contest because she pleased judges more, she brought the "whole package" , a recently widely used whitewashed expression for conditioning, but fans in Romania showed clearly how they want to see FBB. There couldn't be a clearer saying

But then this is not a popularity contest: we could just eliminate the judges and let the audience vote. I agree with the decision of the judges: Nataliya's back was so soft that it would have been very unusual to award her first place with such a glaring flaw.

Also: just imagine a Nataliya who gets at least a reasonable level of conditioning in her back and rear delts; a Nataliya who shows up with full muscle bellies because she learns about carb loading; a Nataliya who doesn't lose half of the mass in her things in the last two weeks before a contest because she figures out how to do that; a Nataliya who can actually do the rear double biceps pose correctly… That would be Nataliya at her full potential, something she will hopefully achieve now that she has the feedback from the judges that, despite her immense size and great shape, she still has to learn a lot.

In the end, it will be all for the best. I for one can't wait to see such a version of Nataliya (she was already greatly improved between last year and this year, by the way), and I really hope that she won't just give up because of the shock of placing second to an athlete with two-thirds her muscle mass.

Remember: Arnold lost to Sergio Oliva at his first Mr. Olympia. He soldiered on, becoming the great champion we all know him to have been. I can only wish Nataliya would do the same: she has incredible potential.



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Re: Romania Pro/Muscle Fest 2019
« Reply #184 on: November 11, 2019, 07:34:42 pm »
They are certain things I agree with you, Nataliya has still sone way to go, but the fact that she placed second was too much dependent on her conditioning. Her muscles were full as far as I see it even that she had shrunken in size, she must habe weighefmd maybe 87 kilos, her offseason weight 10 kilos more. Her USP is her size, it would really be a pity to see her too much leaned down on future. And regarding popularity, sorry but it is the fans and audience who keep FBB alive. Otherwise, the girls could just pise in front of judges and that would be it!! Fans bring on revenue, not judges. And fans want to have their say. The problem is that like any sport dependent on judging, it is subjective, in contrast to weightlifting or athletics where objectively the strongest and fastest win.

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Re: Romania Pro/Muscle Fest 2019
« Reply #185 on: November 12, 2019, 08:22:05 pm »
Let's hope she can be as big as possible (and it's incredible that she's visibly getting bigger year to year even at her current size) and that she can learn techniques to get as ripped as it's right for her without losing too much of the size… (Or the will to live, if it comes to not eating for months and doing hours upon hours of cardio.)

She does a little bit of that, and she will be unstoppable.

Let's hope she won't quit in frustration before getting there.

It's debatable whether the judges should have turned a blind eye toward her conditioning. I wouldn't have complained if she'd won, but I also understand why she placed second. If this gets her to improve, then it's all for the better.

One fallacy I'd like to address is that contest prep is just about getting lean. No: it's about getting as lean as possible WITHOUT sacrificing most of the mass or fullness the athlete carries. Some have learned this, while others have struggled throughout their careers. Case in point: the excellent Brigita Brezovac who always looked ripped, but really flat on stage, especially compared to her shape a few weeks out.

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