Sessions at the Arnold

[Polite Society]

  Thanks, Bugs.
    Duke and Sammy boy ride my ass all the time here and it shows them up for what they are - not contributing a damn thing to the scene except bitching.
   Go ahead and email everyone like the Jon-ass says. That always works out.

[Polite Society]

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[Polite Society]

polite society is this your business or are you advertising this for someone else?

   Something I've run since 2009..why?

I was just curious.  Now I better understand why you just like to throw tidbits out about girls and act all smug because you are so proud that you know information that you don't share with us.  I also now understand why you are always belittling anyone who questions a girls rates.  If you are pimping for her it makes sense that you try to convince others to pay over market rate for your girls.

  Strange then that I have two women offering half hour sessions for $150.
    On your best day, you'll never have a clue.

[Duke69]

polite society is this your business or are you advertising this for someone else?

   Something I've run since 2009..why?

I was just curious.  Now I better understand why you just like to throw tidbits out about girls and act all smug because you are so proud that you know information that you don't share with us.  I also now understand why you are always belittling anyone who questions a girls rates.  If you are pimping for her it makes sense that you try to convince others to pay over market rate for your girls.

  Strange then that I have two women offering half hour sessions for $150.
    On your best day, you'll never have a clue.

Ive done fine for several years on my own without sourcing my girls through you.  I believe the conflicts that have  happened with you are due to the fact that you were posting on this board as a bobbiest when in reality you were here for your own personal gain.  Your posting history and attitude clearly show this.    Clearly when you are posting here until now you were masking your true intentions for being here.    Bearating hobbiests for discussing a girls rates when you are profiting when they get higher rates  while pretending to be a hobbiest is dishonest and manipulative.    You are a shady businessman.

[Polite Society]

polite society is this your business or are you advertising this for someone else?

   Something I've run since 2009..why?

I was just curious.  Now I better understand why you just like to throw tidbits out about girls and act all smug because you are so proud that you know information that you don't share with us.  I also now understand why you are always belittling anyone who questions a girls rates.  If you are pimping for her it makes sense that you try to convince others to pay over market rate for your girls.

  Strange then that I have two women offering half hour sessions for $150.
    On your best day, you'll never have a clue.

Ive done fine for several years on my own without sourcing my girls through you.  I believe the conflicts that have  happened with you are due to the fact that you were posting on this board as a bobbiest when in reality you were here for your own personal gain.  Your posting history and attitude clearly show this.    Clearly when you are posting here until now you were masking your true intentions for being here.    Bearating hobbiests for discussing a girls rates when you are profiting when they get higher rates  while pretending to be a hobbiest is dishonest and manipulative.    You are a shady businessman.

    Five whole sentences., wow! what did you have for breakfast? I am not profiting from higher rates and I doubt I'd have an Agency of more than 20 women if I was 'shady' as you claim. Last time I acknowledge you here. Enjoy it, Puke.

[grendelsm21]

I have to weigh in here.  I've known PS since 2006 and, yes, he does have an edge to him; he does not suffer fools gladly.  Does he occasionally fire a remark across another person's bow that he might have held in abeyance.  Sure . . . but that doesn't make him any different than most of the rest of us.  So what?  And yeah, even I have been the target of his wrath in the past . . . although if I recall, at the time I earned his enmity.  Again, so what?  We kissed and made up and I'm the better for it.

When it comes to his rep with the women, it's impeccable.  Sure, he sessions a lot himself, but he actually DOES have the best interests of schmoes at heart.  And while the Jonas strategy of sourcing your own UTR sessionettes is always an option, PS has taken this task upon himself and serves as a very convenient clearinghouse for the rest of us.  And as far as him "profiting" from women with higher rates, that's just plain silly.  The women set their own rates.  Debra D'Andrea's normal rate is $300; Amber DeLuca's is $700 and so it goes with the rest of the women falling somewhere in the continuum.  To imply that he influences THEIR rates and then somehow manages to profit from them is a vapid concept fueled by jealously; come to think of it, I'm jealous that he has the time, stones, and energy to plough up such new territory for the rest of us, but I'm also thankful.

And yeah, I actually coughed up my fiften shekels for the UTR list . . . it didn't break me, and I had the session of a lifetime.  I've been doing this since I crossed the Rubicon with Robin Parker way back in 1992 back when the only way to find a session was in the back of Robert Kennedy's MuscleMag or Ed Winik's lousy video pamplets . . . if PS had been around with the UTR list back then, it would have been a blessing.

Finally, bodybuilders, fitness women, figure, all make the UTR list provided they are willing.  PS provides a wide-ranging selection and I'm STILL fvcking pissed I cannot make the Arnold to take full advantage of it.

You conspiracy theorists just keep on keepin' on . . . you're only hurting yourselves by missing out.

[Polite Society]

 Thanks, MuscleHunter.
   At heart, you have the same curiosity that fuels me.
   I could easily have been selfish and maintained an attitude of "who can I see that is UTR?"
   I expanded that to letting close friends know about opportunities by putting them in touch with women I'd seen.
   When that was successful, I took it a stage further in 2009 when I started an Agency intededed to benefit the guys and the girls.
   If I'm asked about rates by newcomers, I never steer them to charge the most out there. How does that get them sessions? I, however, let them decide their own rate if they don't consult me.
    What women charge is their choice. My role is to give the guys the chance to meet elite names and it takes time recruiting via cam and doing sessions. If I didn't want to recoup some of that, I'd be an idiot. The fact it's $15 a time and I charge the women no percentage, I am an idiot. So be it.
    Guys like MuscleHunter and others who I trust have used this service in the way I would if the shoe was on the other foot. If you consider $15 an expensive outlay, you're not right for it anyway.
     Anyone who's given this a chance has reaped the benefits. And if you don't, stick with the tried and tested. You're made for them.
         

[Jonas]

I, personally, don't think there's any "conspiracy".  I just think PS/Scott F is just a raging a-hole, and I'm glad he's never gotten my money.  BUT I will say this, he's gone on record many times saying he doesn't care about his customers' satisfaction or what the community is demanding. He's come on here many times deriding people for not wanting to pay an outrageous fee for a session, and I see that in girls that he presents - like when Scar was charging $600 for a bikini session last year.   If he had any credibility as a businessman, he would've advised the her against something that outrageous rather than have the gall to present something like that to his customers and then have the nerve to curse at people who, naturally, balked at that kind of price.

Regarding FS sessions his attitude has basically been "if you want FS then fuck off, the women are more important than the fact that it's what my customer base wants".  Which is why it's so surprising that he's now on here bragging about the FS sessions he's done. 

Anyone is free to deal with him as they want, but I wouldn't want to do business with someone who is a complete jerk and doesn't care about my needs as a customer.

[Polite Society]

I, personally, don't think there's any "conspiracy".  I just think PS/Scott F is just a raging a-hole, and I'm glad he's never gotten my money.  BUT I will say this, he's gone on record many times saying he doesn't care about his customers' satisfaction or what the community is demanding. He's come on here many times deriding people for not wanting to pay an outrageous fee for a session, and I see that in girls that he presents - like when Scar was charging $600 for a bikini session last year.   If he had any credibility as a businessman, he would've advised the her against something that outrageous rather than have the gall to present something like that to his customers and then have the nerve to curse at people who, naturally, balked at that kind of price.

Regarding FS sessions his attitude has basically been "if you want FS then fuck off, the women are more important than the fact that it's what my customer base wants".  Which is why it's so surprising that he's now on here bragging about the FS sessions he's done. 

Anyone is free to deal with him as they want, but I wouldn't want to do business with someone who is a complete jerk and doesn't care about my needs as a customer.

   Crying myself to sleep not having you pollute the Agency, Sammy. You're everything I detest.

[Jonas]

I, personally, don't think there's any "conspiracy".  I just think PS/Scott F is just a raging a-hole, and I'm glad he's never gotten my money.  BUT I will say this, he's gone on record many times saying he doesn't care about his customers' satisfaction or what the community is demanding. He's come on here many times deriding people for not wanting to pay an outrageous fee for a session, and I see that in girls that he presents - like when Scar was charging $600 for a bikini session last year.   If he had any credibility as a businessman, he would've advised the her against something that outrageous rather than have the gall to present something like that to his customers and then have the nerve to curse at people who, naturally, balked at that kind of price.

Regarding FS sessions his attitude has basically been "if you want FS then fuck off, the women are more important than the fact that it's what my customer base wants".  Which is why it's so surprising that he's now on here bragging about the FS sessions he's done. 

Anyone is free to deal with him as they want, but I wouldn't want to do business with someone who is a complete jerk and doesn't care about my needs as a customer.

   Crying myself to sleep not having you pollute the Agency, Sammy. You're everything I detest.

Dude, you keep trying, but you don't even know my name.  It's laughable. 

[brunnen-g]

Just out of curiosity PS; is your UTR list full of ladies who charge $600 for a "bikini" session or are there some girls on there that are offering some value for your money?  I'm not trying to bust your balls or anything just asking a serious question.  I've actually exchanged a few post with you back on unreal so I know you can be reasonable when you want to.  I might be interested for the olympia if you get a good selection for that show that has a good value prop ala Amber Deluca.  Not necessarily FS but certainly some nudity and a good amount of sensual play.

[grendelsm21]

My last take . . . I promise.     Jonas, it sounds like you have some issues with PS that go beyond just him "advising" women to lower their rates and, of course, that is between you and him.  BUT, I would take issue with any guy, other than the actual sessioner in question, trying to convince these women to lower her rates.  Would I like to get a FS session for a hundred bucks or two?  Of course, but even in my direct communications with them, I never do that because there are so many cheap-ass schmoes out there who make the rest of us look worse than we actaully are (and I don't need any help in THAT department), I refuse to put myself in that demographic.  If a woman charges too much for too little, I don't see her; in fact, that happened with me recently with Scar because of her changed relationship status, BUT what I didn't do was try to get her to come down in price.   My reason for this is simple:  I think about someone like ME draping my hairy ass all over, well, me.  Holy shit!  I'm surprised the women don't charge double!  I prefer the realities of market economics over what would feel like prostrating myself to get one of these glorious women to do for less, what I would charge double for if I were in their shoes.  'Nuff said! 

[Jonas]

I have personal issues with Scott???  A LOT of people have issues with Scott, even the women - just ask Lisa M. for starters.  (BTW, if anyone wants to see her, hit her up and see if she'll be at the Arnold.)  I was just putting it out there because you were the one who was trying to excuse his (many) personality flaws. 

A woman is free to charge whatever she feels is necessary to get her to do a session.  That's her right.  But if I was running a business and somebody wanted me to promote their product for $800 when the market rate is around $300, I'd tell them what the market is bearing at the time and see if they would consider something closer to the "norm".  If they couldn't sell for less than $800, I'd have to politely decline promoting their wares because my customers would find it insulting and I'd look like an ass, because I'm putting my name by that product.   

But even that could be excused if it wasn't for the fact that, when people said they didn't want to pay such an outrageous fee for so little service, he chose to be a dick about it and start insulting his customers.   I'm not trying to tell anyone not to do business with the guy.  He is providing a useful service, albeit one that anyone could do themselves with slightly more time and effort, but I'm just putting out there why I don't do business with him.

And if you feel women should charge double for you, well that's just the way you feel.  I happen to feel the opposite way in that I should get charged half.  Women generally enjoy it when I drape myself on them.   

[grendelsm21]

Good for you!  . . . as long as you're sure about that.    Oh, and Lisa will be at the Arnold . . . and she and PS have made up.  She's as cool as the other side of the pillow.   

Women generally enjoy it when I drape myself on them.   

[Old Surehand]

With Lauren Powers blabbing off about sessions to any media source and what has happened to Rhonda Lee and Sarah Dunlap, an UTR method of connecting with these girls is almost inevitable.

[kevin1]

With Lauren Powers blabbing off about sessions to any media source and what has happened to Rhonda Lee and Sarah Dunlap, an UTR method of connecting with these girls is almost inevitable.

I think Rhonda Lee is the girl who got busted in Florida last year. What happened with Sarah Dunlap?