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Re: Aleesha Young
« Reply #480 on: September 09, 2019, 11:29:41 am »
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Re: Aleesha Young
« Reply #481 on: September 10, 2019, 07:54:52 am »
Nice post - Thx

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Re: Aleesha Young
« Reply #482 on: September 10, 2019, 09:22:21 am »
I think bodybuilding could take a tip from major league baseball.  What's behind the pitchers in center field?  A section that's all blacked out.  Why?  So the batters can see the ball easier vs a whole bunch of colors.  These bodybuilding contests need to either have a curtain slide across the backdrop or have a black screen behind the competitors.  There are a few pics of Aleesha from previous posts on stage where she is off to the side without the wings of strength background behind her and I think those pics show so much more detail because she's not being washed out by all that color behind her.

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Re: Aleesha Young
« Reply #483 on: September 10, 2019, 09:53:15 am »
@cool417. Fbb is different than male bb, with fbb they penalize for muscle mass, the judges want the fbb to look more "feminine", so according to the judges, muscle mass doesnt look feminine and needs to be penalized, conditioning looks feminine and needs to be rewarded. So Aleesha in Chicago had much less muscle mass than usually but was very conditioned so she won. In Phoenix WOS she had also less muscle mass, but conditioning was not great, therefore she placed only 10th

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Re: Aleesha Young
« Reply #484 on: September 10, 2019, 12:32:20 pm »
@cool417. Fbb is different than male bb, with fbb they penalize for muscle mass, the judges want the fbb to look more "feminine", so according to the judges, muscle mass doesnt look feminine and needs to be penalized, conditioning looks feminine and needs to be rewarded. So Aleesha in Chicago had much less muscle mass than usually but was very conditioned so she won. In Phoenix WOS she had also less muscle mass, but conditioning was not great, therefore she placed only 10th
You can´t say they penalize size when Helle wins and Margie gets second.

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Re: Aleesha Young
« Reply #485 on: September 10, 2019, 12:59:53 pm »
Helle and Margie were smaller than usual, Monique Jones got only  5th, Nikki Chartrand was 4th, but looked like a WPD athlete. This says it all

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Re: Aleesha Young
« Reply #486 on: September 10, 2019, 03:37:48 pm »
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Helle and Margie were smaller than usual, Monique Jones got only  5th, Nikki Chartrand was 4th, but looked like a WPD athlete. This says it all

Some fans/observers do not understand how large pro women bodybuilders are in real life.  Some will keep repeating the same false talking points, trying to present false statements as fact.

Helle and Margie are HUGE. Irene Andersen is HUGE. Monique Jones is HUGE.  "Only 5th"?  IN THE WORLD?!  Do you have any idea what that actually means?  Monique Jones is amazing, but so are the women who placed ahead of her. Some folks should go to an actual bodybuilding event sometime. Not only might they enjoy themselves, but they may learn a few things, too.

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Re: Aleesha Young
« Reply #487 on: September 10, 2019, 04:46:11 pm »
@femflexusa. For you I was waiting, i knew this would be coming. You did not disappoint, but you again are completely missing the point.
Yes, Helle and Irene are big - compared to regular women. But they had to shed muscle mass and muscularity for conditionig, this is a fact you cannot deny. And yes, many fans don't like it as well as some of the fbbs themselves.
As for me , i know a number of the competitors personally and have attended fbb competitions in Europe, but I am just a fan with a personal opinion, not an insider with vested interest like you seem to be. My personal opinion is independent, and not influenced by business or other interests. I am a simple fan and probably represent many simple fans. But it is for us simple fans who help to fund the whole industry for its pay websites, webcams. It is not for nothing that an FBB like Nataliya Kuznetsova is by far the most popular fbb on the planet, while never having been anywhere close to the shreddedness of Helle and company. While I am completely aware that she is basically always offseason, I don't think that any fan wished to see her shrinked down to the rippedness that appeal to the IFBB judges who discourage big muscle masses. There should be a way for a girl like her to compete, maintining in one or another way her outrageous muscle mass. This is what simple fans like me would like to see, and yes, guys like us have their full right to express their "unprofessional" opinion as it is for guys like us to fund insiders like you 

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Re: Aleesha Young
« Reply #488 on: September 10, 2019, 05:09:07 pm »
@femflexusa. For you I was waiting, i knew this would be coming. You did not disappoint, but you again are completely missing the point.
Yes, Helle and Irene are big - compared to regular women. But they had to shed muscle mass and muscularity for conditionig, this is a fact you cannot deny. And yes, many fans don't like it as well as some of the fbbs themselves.
As for me , i know a number of the competitors personally and have attended fbb competitions in Europe, but I am just a fan with a personal opinion, not an insider with vested interest like you seem to be. My personal opinion is independent, and not influenced by business or other interests. I am a simple fan and probably represent many simple fans. But it is for us simple fans who help to fund the whole industry for its pay websites, webcams. It is not for nothing that an FBB like Nataliya Kuznetsova is by far the most popular fbb on the planet, while never having been anywhere close to the shreddedness of Helle and company. While I am completely aware that she is basically always offseason, I don't think that any fan wished to see her shrinked down to the rippedness that appeal to the IFBB judges who discourage big muscle masses. There should be a way for a girl like her to compete, maintining in one or another way her outrageous muscle mass. This is what simple fans like me would like to see, and yes, guys like us have their full right to express their "unprofessional" opinion as it is for guys like us to fund insiders like you

I agree 100%. These woman look huge in the run-up to the shows but puny by show time. I'm hoping for one of them to go rogue and come in huge with full muscle shapes but it never happens. I thought it might be Aleesha but she has downsized quite a bit, I guess winning a trophy is just more important. I have hopes for Nataliya but frankly I don't think her hearts in it. Compare her inst@gram to Michaela Aycock, who lives and breathes BBing.




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Re: Aleesha Young
« Reply #489 on: September 10, 2019, 05:36:00 pm »
Ugh, 10th?!

I can see why Helle won but 10th for Aleesha? That makes no sense. This is why I don't actually follow the sport (such as it is these days). It's waaaaaay too subjective.

Did you objectively look at the 8 women that placed between Helle and Aleesha, before you made your post?
I did and I agree, 10th is a bad score. Clearly she wasn't the most conditioned out there yet she placed behind others on that level with objectively less impressive physiques, that's bad.
The problem is there's a standard at work which undermines the whole point of the sport itself. The fact is, more conditioning makes less muscle look better and less conditioning makes more muscle look better, this is to the benefit of someone in the middle rather than at the edge of the curve. But as fans we like the top of the curve, we think Aleesha needing to dull that extra bit that makes her look cool in order to win a contest is dumb. What makes her look her best should be celebrated. Conditioning also helps judges to be lazy, they rarely have to decide whose physique was just more impressive on stage that day, that aspect itself gets minimized to 1 or 2 competitors who get through the conditioning gate.
Is anyone's favorite look for an fbb her 'day after look' rather than a shot with her 2-3 weeks before competing? I'd guess that's rarely true, there's a reason for that.

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Re: Aleesha Young
« Reply #490 on: September 10, 2019, 05:41:12 pm »
With regards to Nataliyas insta page, it is hard to judge. I think she uses it more and more for commercial purposes, having 500K followers, promoting lifestyle and athletic products and services. From time to time she posts pics and clips from the gym. As far as I understand she is preparing for her pro debut in Romania, so she has to be in it in one or another way, just her insta page becomes more and more commercial, in contrast to Michaela Aycock, who uses her page mainly for gym stuff, creating in impression that she is totally committed only to it.

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Re: Aleesha Young
« Reply #491 on: September 10, 2019, 06:59:33 pm »
When the biggest, most muscular women in the world are onstage with the biggest, most muscular women in the world, that completely changes the viewers' perspective. HUGE doesn't look so "huge" anymore, relative to the other women present.

The most cogent point I have read - perhaps in the other Rising Phoenix thread(?) - is that the stage background may be distracting a bit from a fair judgment of the physiques on the stage.
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Re: Aleesha Young
« Reply #492 on: September 11, 2019, 05:25:11 pm »


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Re: Aleesha Young
« Reply #493 on: September 11, 2019, 05:44:13 pm »

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Re: Aleesha Young
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