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Re: Hulkmoster aka HULKMSTRN on HBC is really a man
« Reply #30 on: May 24, 2019, 05:46:07 pm »
I don’t think there is a distinction with surgery at all. It’s a decoration. Once you have made the decision to come out as trans you are trans. Not everyone can afford surgery and often times it will take a while because there are other priority surgeries (this was an issue in the UK recently).
If I can't afford the car payments I don't still get to call myself a Porsche owner. If you don't take steps to become something else you are what you are. A man with normal biology and normal hormones for a man is a man.

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Re: Hulkmoster aka HULKMSTRN on HBC is really a man
« Reply #31 on: May 24, 2019, 05:56:44 pm »
I see you session with biological women. You seem to like the big girls. Therefore if trans women are women, with the absolute right to be treated the same in your woke world, then you would session with Hulkmstrn? And I ask that knowing that there are some guys here that would. But I've got to imagine that anyone who's done both has got to acknowledge there are real differences, and it's not discriminatory to base your preferences on them.
Those associations/school boards letting athletic competitions happen without any regard to physiology are a ridiculous disgrace.
I know I have done a session (wrestling only) with a fully transitioned woman. I found her more feminine than several females I've decided I wasn't interested to meet. I feel no special standing for having done at at all, and I wouldn't tell someone considering a session they should do so nor condemn someone who decided not to.

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Re: Hulkmoster aka HULKMSTRN on HBC is really a man
« Reply #32 on: May 24, 2019, 06:41:19 pm »
It's like the gay panic of the 80s all over again. Some very outdated views here. Not a massive surprise though

As for whether I could session with Hulkmstrn, probably not, I hate tattoos!
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Re: Hulkmoster aka HULKMSTRN on HBC is really a man
« Reply #33 on: May 24, 2019, 07:13:32 pm »
It's like the gay panic of the 80s all over again. Some very outdated views here. Not a massive surprise though

As for whether I could session with Hulkmstrn, probably not, I hate tattoos!
Nice evasion. And if he didn't have tattoos?

My views reflect current science. Just pick up any biology textbook if you're confused about what constitutes a biological woman. If you want to read up on the science behind gender dysphoria, you'll find it in the most recent version of the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM-5). What's the source of your views?

Care to address whether that trans woman's powerlifting records should stand? Should Hulkmstrn be allowed to compete in female bodybuilding? And if so, Hulkmstrn vs. Rene Campbell, who do you think would win?

No panic on my part. Gays never claimed to be something that demonstrably they aren't. I personally have nothing against trans people or the guys here that want to engage with them. Just don't tell me I have to acknowledge that the sky is green, or I have a problem.

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Re: Hulkmoster aka HULKMSTRN on HBC is really a man
« Reply #34 on: May 24, 2019, 07:18:51 pm »
It's like the gay panic of the 80s all over again. Some very outdated views here. Not a massive surprise though

As for whether I could session with Hulkmstrn, probably not, I hate tattoos!
Nice evasion. And if he didn't have tattoos?

My views reflect current science. Just pick up any biology textbook if you're confused about what constitutes a biological woman. If you want to read up on the science behind gender dysphoria, you'll find it in the most recent version of the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM-5). What's the source of your views?

She's not my type to be honest, nothing to do with her being trans though, I've sessioned with FBBs who look a lot like men and am into MBBs.

And the source of my views? Not being a bigot (being transgender is not a mental disorder that's for sure). Transgender rights are under attack, from the sort of people who think like some people here.
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Re: Hulkmoster aka HULKMSTRN on HBC is really a man
« Reply #35 on: May 24, 2019, 09:16:04 pm »
Should Hulkmstrn be allowed to compete in female bodybuilding?
Now this is an interesting question, isn't it? It seems fairly obvious 'her' hormone levels aren't what they should be to compete as fbb. But would the others volunteer to do a blood panel to confirm that? What might we find if we start going through that data?

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« Reply #36 on: May 25, 2019, 12:02:13 am »
Should Hulkmstrn be allowed to compete in female bodybuilding?
Now this is an interesting question, isn't it? It seems fairly obvious 'her' hormone levels aren't what they should be to compete as fbb. But would the others volunteer to do a blood panel to confirm that? What might we find if we start going through that data?

Someone asked that already

https://www.bing.com/search?q=Christina+Bruce+Bodybuilder&FORM=HDRSC1
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Re: Hulkmoster aka HULKMSTRN on HBC is really a man
« Reply #37 on: May 25, 2019, 05:25:11 am »
Now this is an interesting question, isn't it? It seems fairly obvious 'her' hormone levels aren't what they should be to compete as fbb. But would the others volunteer to do a blood panel to confirm that? What might we find if we start going through that data?
Hormone levels might be an issue in natural bodybuilding competitions, but the bodybuilding mainstream is fueled by PEDs. That levels the playing field somewhat, and is the reason modern FBB's exist. But even the ability to alter one's hormone levels can't overcome the natural advantages that men have. Besides the differences in their muscle fibers, bone density, body fat, and tendon thickness, there's less obvious things like larger internal organs. Because of that, men can tolerate much higher levels of PEDs. Everyone likes the comparison shots of large FBB's next to small male BB's, but that's contrasting extremes. Put Natalia Trukhina next to a top level male pro of similar height, and it won't even be close. That's why allowing men to compete against women isn't fair. Hulkmstrn has a good physique, and is about Rene Toney's size. But as MBB's go, he's not that big. He could put on at least another 20-30lbs. Rene Toney couldn't keep up. Identifying as a woman doesn't change the advantages he has as a born male.

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Re: Hulkmoster aka HULKMSTRN on HBC is really a man
« Reply #38 on: May 25, 2019, 06:25:38 am »
And the source of my views? Not being a bigot (being transgender is not a mental disorder that's for sure). Transgender rights are under attack, from the sort of people who think like some people here.
So your views are based on rainbows, unicorns, and wishful thinking, while mine are based on science and practical examples?

Take the case of trans MMA fighter Fallon Fox who mauled a bunch of women in the cage, including putting one in the hospital with a broken skull. Fallon Fox isn't a particularity good fighter, he overwhelmed his female opponents with superior strength. The women that fought him weren't told he was trans. I'm guessing that, and allowing him to compete as as a woman in the first place, are OK with you since trans women are women. No differences. It's not OK with me. I'm willing to risk being called a bigot to protect born women from unfair competition and physical harm from people who ignore facts and put aside common sense for the sake of political correctness.

https://bjj-world.com/transgender-mma-fighter-fallon-fox-breaks-skull-of-her-female-opponent/

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Re: Hulkmoster aka HULKMSTRN on HBC is really a man
« Reply #39 on: May 25, 2019, 06:43:42 am »
Besides the differences in their muscle fibers, bone density, body fat, and tendon thickness, there's less obvious things like larger internal organs.
I'm less concerned with these, there are always some differences between individuals. On one hand, the notion of someone lifting for 5 or 10 years and then suddenly deciding they want to compete as a woman and then immediately entering a contest is clearly unfair and absurd. But on the other, does a 'sport' so cavalier about what its participants are doing re PEDs really have a leg to stand on when talking about standards?

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Re: Hulkmoster aka HULKMSTRN on HBC is really a man
« Reply #40 on: May 25, 2019, 02:01:14 pm »
Take the case of trans MMA fighter Fallon Fox who mauled a bunch of women in the cage, including putting one in the hospital with a broken skull. Fallon Fox isn't a particularity good fighter, he overwhelmed his female opponents with superior strength. The women that fought him weren't told he was trans.
Devil's advocate, I saw what Holly did to Ronda. That sort of thing happens m/m and w/w all the time, it's possible she just wasn't prepared to deal with her and she shouldn't get excuses for that. Iirc Fox declared after her 2nd fight.

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« Reply #41 on: May 25, 2019, 06:48:24 pm »
What Holly did to Ronda was totally different. That was a case of a top tier grappler but low-skill striker deciding that she wants to test her standup in the octagon versus a world class striker instead of sticking to her strengths. She did it AGAIN with Amanda Nunes. Ronda had a terrible coach who convinced her that she had enough skill to 1 v 1 both of those women.

Ronda dominated so long because there was a pretty huge disparity in MMA. it was her and everyone else. THen everyone else caught up and she didn't evolve. I think that's very different.

There are a lot of apples and oranges situations being thrown around these days. In England an all girls team won an all boys soccer league this year. I believe it was U12? Girls typically develop faster than boys so this is the age range where they will be taller, longer, faster before the boys hit puberty at 13/14. Were they skilled? Probably, yes. But that makes a difference.

The USWNT regularly scrimmages against high school boys teams and loses most of the time. You can't look at the NBA and international men's soccer or volleyball or nearly any other sport and tell me that when you look at the women you're watching the same game.

there are outliers, sure. Marianna Gasparyan broke the Wilks scoring last month with a 573S/292B en route to a world record WIlks score that was way ahead of everyone, male or female, at 132 pounds. I believe for reference the highest recorded male squat at 132 pounds was between 540-560. I forget. But those are outliers. Just because she can squat 573 and Saquan Barkley can only squat 500 doesn't qualify her to be an NFL running back.


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Re: Hulkmoster aka HULKMSTRN on HBC is really a man
« Reply #42 on: May 25, 2019, 07:38:47 pm »
I'm willing to risk being called a bigot to protect born women from unfair competition and physical harm from people who ignore facts and put aside common sense for the sake of political correctness.

https://bjj-world.com/transgender-mma-fighter-fallon-fox-breaks-skull-of-her-female-opponent/

Sure, you're just saying this stuff because you're very keen to protect women.
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Re: Hulkmoster aka HULKMSTRN on HBC is really a man
« Reply #43 on: May 25, 2019, 08:43:02 pm »
Besides the differences in their muscle fibers, bone density, body fat, and tendon thickness, there's less obvious things like larger internal organs.
I'm less concerned with these, there are always some differences between individuals. On one hand, the notion of someone lifting for 5 or 10 years and then suddenly deciding they want to compete as a woman and then immediately entering a contest is clearly unfair and absurd. But on the other, does a 'sport' so cavalier about what its participants are doing re PEDs really have a leg to stand on when talking about standards?
On average the differences between the sexes is well documented and difficult to overcome in sports, all other thing being equal, unless you do choose individuals from opposite sides of their respective bell curves.

I'm not going to defend bodybuilding as I do view it more as a pageant than a sport. I don't have an issue with PEDs. It's not baseball. It's body modification. And PEDs are the most effective tool to accomplish that. Within their world, it's not cheating, it's an integral part of what they're trying to accomplish.

OK, so my point about Fallon Fox not being declared is only valid for the first fight. But that still makes it a valid question. Holly/Ronda was a different thing. Holly is a supremely talented striker, and she did her damage with a kick. Fallon Fox was a novice fighter and broke that woman's skull with punches. That's not something you see in w/w fights. Don't take my word for it. Here's the statement from the woman Fallon Fox beat:

“I’ve fought a lot of women and have never felt the strength that I felt in a fight as I did that night. I can’t answer whether it’s because she was born a man or not because I’m not a doctor. I can only say, I’ve never felt so overpowered ever in my life and I am an abnormally strong female in my own right… I still disagree with Fox fighting. Any other job or career I say have a go at it, but when it comes to a combat sport I think it just isn’t fair.” – Tamika Brents

Do you think it's fair to allow trans women to compete in MMA women's divisions? And biological women have no right to compete exclusively among themselves, because trans women are women? How do you see that playing out? You don't see any adverse impacts on women's sports?

I could provide a lot more real world examples, and it's not because there are that many trans women competing (yet). It's because when they do, the advantages of being born male in many cases allows them to dominate. Take a look at the recent story below about a trans sprinter breaking a women's state record in a time that would be mediocre for a male runner. How do you think the born women runners should react to that? And should born women say goodbye to the possibility of getting a college athletic scholarship, because some guy who couldn't cut it on a men's team decided to put on a dress, pick up a shot put, and tossed it a few feet further than she could, despite her years of training? There's nothing hypothetical about this. It's occurring now.

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2019/feb/24/terry-miller-andraya-yearwood-transgender-sprinter/

I don't think being trans has any impacts that need to be addressed in most aspects of society. These are narrow areas we're talking about. But within those areas, the differences between trans women and born women are very real, and need to be addressed realistically. And the first step is admitting there are differences, which should be taken into account.

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Re: Hulkmoster aka HULKMSTRN on HBC is really a man
« Reply #44 on: May 25, 2019, 09:00:11 pm »
Sure, you're just saying this stuff because you're very keen to protect women.
You made a ridiculous statement. I called you on it. You've replied a couple of times, but so far, you haven't even attempted to back up your views with a logical (or any other kind of) argument, or respond to my questions. Now you're getting snarky. Obviously, you've got nothing.

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