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Private Sessions => Warnings for Private Sessions & Scammers and Complaints => Topic started by: KenDel on August 03, 2012, 01:49:11 am
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Hey guys, is there a list of girls who take deposits then cancel/no-show?
There's a few girls I wanna see but read about them flaking out and not paying back deposits...would like to avoid those if I could. There really needs to be some consequences for the divas that come in the business and think they can treat everyone like crap.
It's nice to see a place where some honesty feedback about the girls can be discussed, unlike certain Yahoo groups that say they offer "reviews" then you're only allowed to post positive shit. And that same guy was flaming up the SessionGirls forum with another producer and probably why that forum got closed. Sucks.
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Have not seen any list here but if you check out a few posts here you'll get a good idea. Ms Melissa & hot stuff Hollie have their share of complaints here.
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Add Layla and FigurePower
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How about asking ladies to set up a list of guys that don't show up for sessions? Put their names and email addresses here...
'Cause it's these guys that are the main reason for women having to ask for deposits. And this problem has grown bigger and bigger the last few years...
And I bet a lot of the people on the forum here are one of those no-shows.
"Oh my mommy hurt her ankle, I can't come". "Oh, I have an injury". "I got the flue".
Etc. etc.
And none of them will ever offer to compensate the lady for the trouble they cause.
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Hey squeezembaby! Did you read the post??? The person was talking about a person paying a deposit, the person not showing and not returning the deposit which is basically stealing.
As far as your point on cancellations, well that is the price of doing business in ANY LINE OF WORK. so wake up and get over it.
Flat out!
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IM WITH SQUEEZEMEBABY!!
However, I think anytime a deposit is made and the session has been cancelled by the girl, it should Definitely be returned within a reasonable time!!
I just had a session with a guy who text me numerous times a day saying how excited he was to finally have a session with me..
I would respond to his texts keeping it friendly and professional. (Even thou he would always texts me with "sweetie, honey, or baby ) However the Day of. .. he texts me a few hours before the session saying how he fell off his bike and felt nauseous and dehydrated. I didnt believe it for a second.
I had planned my whole day around meeting him, making sure i got everything done that I needed to do.
So it really sucks when some guy wastes your time like that. I have a life outside of sessions and I don't have time
to just entertain men for the "hell of it" ..
This Link I found pretty much says it all...
http://sessiongirls.com/forum/5-session-announcements/865-sessiongirls-pet-peeves
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It's obvious that you are one of those people that don't give a crap, just about himself. When a girl travels, she has expenses: travel, hotel, extra costs of food because of being on the road, costs of gym, etc. etc. And that money has to be made back by people showing up.
If some guy wantas a session, she reserves that time. Might have to say "no" to another session. You not showing her up might cost her big money.
By canceling your session, you are putting a much bigger financial burden on a session girl than some chick taking your lousy 50 bucks deposit.
By not seeing that side of the business, you are showing your true colors.
Don't fear though. There are many more like you. Enjoy your company!
Xander
Hey squeezembaby! Did you read the post??? The person was talking about a person paying a deposit, the person not showing and not returning the deposit which is basically stealing.
As far as your point on cancellations, well that is the price of doing business in ANY LINE OF WORK. so wake up and get over it.
Flat out!
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And the amazing thing is that they think they are the first who ever came up with that type of excuse!
What guys need to realize is that this type of behaviour is what has caused the increase in girls asking for deposits. And I bet that there are people here that have been a no-show themselves. If some chick then steals your deposit later in your life, well, what goes around comes around.
IM WITH SQUEEZEMEBABY!!
However, I think anytime a deposit is made and the session has been cancelled by the girl, it should Definitely be returned within a reasonable time!!
I just had a session with a guy who text me numerous times a day saying how excited he was to finally have a session with me..
I would respond to his texts keeping it friendly and professional. (Even thou he would always texts me with "sweetie, honey, or baby ) However the Day of. .. he texts me a few hours before the session saying how he fell off his bike and felt nauseous and dehydrated. I didnt believe it for a second.
I had planned my whole day around meeting him, making sure i got everything done that I needed to do.
So it really sucks when some guy wastes your time like that. I have a life outside of sessions and I don't have time
to just entertain men for the "hell of it" ..
This Link I found pretty much says it all...
http://sessiongirls.com/forum/5-session-announcements/865-sessiongirls-pet-peeves
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And the amazing thing is that they think they are the first who ever came up with that type of excuse!
What guys need to realize is that this type of behaviour is what has caused the increase in girls asking for deposits. And I bet that there are people here that have been a no-show themselves. If some chick then steals your deposit later in your life, well, what goes around comes around.
IM WITH SQUEEZEMEBABY!!
However, I think anytime a deposit is made and the session has been cancelled by the girl, it should Definitely be returned within a reasonable time!!
I just had a session with a guy who text me numerous times a day saying how excited he was to finally have a session with me..
I would respond to his texts keeping it friendly and professional. (Even thou he would always texts me with "sweetie, honey, or baby ) However the Day of. .. he texts me a few hours before the session saying how he fell off his bike and felt nauseous and dehydrated. I didnt believe it for a second.
I had planned my whole day around meeting him, making sure i got everything done that I needed to do.
So it really sucks when some guy wastes your time like that. I have a life outside of sessions and I don't have time
to just entertain men for the "hell of it" ..
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This Link I found pretty much says it all...
http://sessiongirls.com/forum/5-session-announcements/865-sessiongirls-pet-peeves
Yo Squeezmebaby so what if I lose $350+ dollars because the person i gave it too decided to be a c*** and take it, so I have to take that lying down? That's my own money. My own money I worked hard for and god forbid I had a session and got hurt or an emergency popped up all of a sudden I'm a bad person. I know s**t happens and but comes with the territory when you have sessions
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So, Janders, basically you are saying "if it happens to me, it's my hard earned money and I deserve to be a little crybaby, but if it happens to a girl she just has to take it"
And wherever did you pay a $350 deposit? Booked some 3 day session and then canceled it?
In all business it's normal to pay "deposits". You book a hotelroom, there comes a time where you can't cancel without your creditcard being charged some amount, sometimes even the full amount. You book a flight, you can't cancel without costs, etc.
It's the way the adult life works and what the ladies have to deal with when preparing their trips.
It's a luxery when sessions can be canceled without any consequences. But this luxery might lot be lasting for long anymore.
If you canceled sessions with that lame injury excuse, you are part of the problem yourself.
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So, Janders, basically you are saying "if it happens to me, it's my hard earned money and I deserve to be a little crybaby, but if it happens to a girl she just has to take it"
And wherever did you pay a $350 deposit? Booked some 3 day session and then canceled it?
In all business it's normal to pay "deposits". You book a hotelroom, there comes a time where you can't cancel without your creditcard being charged some amount, sometimes even the full amount. You book a flight, you can't cancel without costs, etc.
It's the way the adult life works and what the ladies have to deal with when preparing their trips.
It's a luxery when sessions can be canceled without any consequences. But this luxery might lot be lasting for long anymore.
If you canceled sessions with that lame injury excuse, you are part of the problem yourself.
Why are you assuming this is the guy who cancelled a session? It's not unheard of for women to take deposits, cancel trips, and not return the money. Figure Power is notorious for doing this. On another board, some guy had a really hard time getting his deposit back from Ms. Melissa, although she did eventually return it to him months later supposedly after he started letting everyone know about it and it started hurting her business.
What seems to work is really "naming and shaming" and going to wb270 about it. Supposedly, wb270 will act if they get word that multiple guys are getting scammed by a woman. Other than that, you are at the woman's mercy if you give her a deposit. Naming and shaming and letting her know that you're naming and shaming her is the only defense you have. Paypal will not save you.
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So, Janders, basically you are saying "if it happens to me, it's my hard earned money and I deserve to be a little crybaby, but if it happens to a girl she just has to take it"
And wherever did you pay a $350 deposit? Booked some 3 day session and then canceled it?
In all business it's normal to pay "deposits". You book a hotelroom, there comes a time where you can't cancel without your creditcard being charged some amount, sometimes even the full amount. You book a flight, you can't cancel without costs, etc.
It's the way the adult life works and what the ladies have to deal with when preparing their trips.
It's a luxery when sessions can be canceled without any consequences. But this luxery might lot be lasting for long anymore.
If you canceled sessions with that lame injury excuse, you are part of the problem yourself.
First of all Sqeezemebaby, I never canceled a session on a lame excuse All I'm saying is there are stories where guys pay a deposit and they have a really hard time getting their money back. And I don't think think it is appealing that if I catch a Flu and I'm in a session sneezing and puking all over the place (maybe I should do it to prove a point). This isn't elementary school where I have to bring a note from somebody saying an emergency happened.
This is a niche "fetish" that we all on this board have so when you have a high demand for such a niche "product" that you can't get it anywhere guys are gonna get nervous and flake. yes there are guys that flake all the time but wha tdo you think is that ratio of guy that do the session to guys that flake i think its a pretty low number.
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Guys. Read again.
You seem to read as if I'm justifying girls that don't pay back a depost.
I am saying that the reason for these deposits being there in the first place is the bullshit bookers that cancel sessions and never think about the consequences it has for the girls as well as for other clients.
So, if you guys want to set up a list of girls that don't pay back deposits, you might consider doing the same for the people that cancel sessions for bullshit reasons, or book without ever having the intention of showing up.
Then you would be dealing with the cause of the problem instead of the symptons.
It's so easy to aim your anger at the girl that stole the money. But it's important to realize that it's other "clients" behaviour that enabled the girl to ask for desposits in the first place.
Janders: a no-show percentage of OVER 50% happens quite often these days. It's not a pretty low number at all.
If you would ever get the flue, bad for you. Then if you cancel a sesison, it would show class to compensate the girl for the loss of time, instead of dropping your problem on her. That's something only very good clients seem to realize.
Solution: girls ask for a deposit. You pay it, get the flue, sucks for you, but then you lose your deposit. Just like things work in the real world.
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Squeezmebaby, I agree with your argument on deposits, but it gives a lot of leverage to the girl to take and run with your money. Personally If any thing did happen to me to make me miss or cancel the session I would give a percentage to the girl, but that's on my dime.
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Add Gayle Moher. I think she trolls WB270 listing several cities collecting deposits then flakes. She got me but I disputed her in PayPal. She tried to return half a deposit but I kept fighting out of principal and won about 2 months later. I've watched her travel posts. She cancels lots of travel dates. She assumes people won't fight for her money. She gives the girls a bad name. I'd like to kick her ass for real and enjoy doing it on two levels!!!
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Add Gayle Moher. I think she trolls WB270 listing several cities collecting deposits then flakes. She got me but I disputed her in PayPal. She tried to return half a deposit but I kept fighting out of principal and won about 2 months later. I've watched her travel posts. She cancels lots of travel dates. She assumes people won't fight for her money. She gives the girls a bad name. I'd like to kick her ass for real and enjoy doing it on two levels!!!
How on Earth did you get your money back through Paypal? Paypal buyer protection doesn't cover sales of services? Did Paypal refund your money in full or did she refund your money after you badgered her for a while?
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Add Gayle Moher. I think she trolls WB270 listing several cities collecting deposits then flakes. She got me but I disputed her in PayPal. She tried to return half a deposit but I kept fighting out of principal and won about 2 months later. I've watched her travel posts. She cancels lots of travel dates. She assumes people won't fight for her money. She gives the girls a bad name. I'd like to kick her ass for real and enjoy doing it on two levels!!!
What city was that for?
You're the first to ever state this so let's not hide behind your tough talk. Details.
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your actually lucky if Gayle Moher cancels on you. Her sessions she just lays there like a fish.
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your actually lucky if Gayle Moher cancels on you. Her sessions she just lays there like a fish.
Still going on about a 5-year-old appointment? Seriously?
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The city was New Orleans about 7 years ago. I disputed with PayPal and yes she gave back partial at first then full later.
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I stopped doing deposit sessions awhile ago. Way I figure it, there are so many women out there, and while I understand if a woman feels the need to secure a deposit, I can make the choice not to session with her. Just my personal consideration.
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SessionGirls has created a TimeWaster Feature to the site where girls
can enter the information of a guy who does a No Show or cancels at the last minute.
Girls will also be able to do a Search , they can enter an email, phone number or name
and if it pops up it means for the girl to REQUEST a deposit or to not do the session since
he was posted as "flake" / "time waster" by another SessionGirl.
Girls will also be able to find out which cities have the highest cancellations/No Show rate.
Girls understand some men honestly have to cancel due to whatever circumstance, and some men will give a few days notice , those
cancellations will not be posted. Men who left deposits and had to cancel will NOT be posted either.
This Feature is in it's infancy stage and has not even been released yet to the girls. But when it is , the girls can begin entering the information .. it will definitley grow and become very informative and helpful in bringing awareness on what guys to be cautious with when booking.
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If this is the case (as I hope it is) and you have direct knowledge of this...maybe you can make the suggestion to ALSO supply information to the ladies about guys who ALWAYS show up, are clean and courteous and never "haggle" about their compensation.
Now that would be a list worth it's weight in gold...
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Got to be honest. While it may act as a partial deterrent, your system should not have been announced here. Now the scene's numerous bozos will change email addresses and phone numbers far more. It was when they had no idea that there were unexpected consequences that it came back to bite them. But I wish you well.
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you never can stop this a..les completly. however this idea makes things more difficult as they have to put more effort. so i think it's a good one.
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http://sessiongirls.com/forum/5-session-announcements/865-sessiongirls-pet-peeves
These rules seem to be... simply politeness. That's becoming rare, which is a pity !
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SessionGirls has created a TimeWaster Feature to the site where girls
can enter the information of a guy who does a No Show or cancels at the last minute.
Girls will also be able to do a Search , they can enter an email, phone number or name
and if it pops up it means for the girl to REQUEST a deposit or to not do the session since
he was posted as "flake" / "time waster" by another SessionGirl.
Girls will also be able to find out which cities have the highest cancellations/No Show rate.
Girls understand some men honestly have to cancel due to whatever circumstance, and some men will give a few days notice , those
cancellations will not be posted. Men who left deposits and had to cancel will NOT be posted either.
This Feature is in it's infancy stage and has not even been released yet to the girls. But when it is , the girls can begin entering the information .. it will definitley grow and become very informative and helpful in bringing awareness on what guys to be cautious with when booking.
A good feature because I think that any man will think twice before booking a session if they really are not serious about it. Listing email addresses, phone numbers and names are helpful of course but considering that burn phones, email addresses and even names are just disposable, I am not sure how useful this really is.
What could help is if Sessiongirls was a site for men and women. Both parties would have to verified members with full privacy away from the search engines. There is one women who I see who no longer advertises publicly who told me she would sign up to that and even pay a membership fee to do so.
I am sure that women rather value a list of who the good guys and the guys would really value a list of who the good girls are.
The topic is called Deposit Flakes because like those who posted on here, I have either paid a deposit, had the girl cancel the session and spent 6 months trying to get back the deposit or just actually had the money stolen in the first place by someone who had no intention of ever travelling for a session.
Where deposits are concerned, I am of the opinion that you have to except that you risk losing the money. Whether that's because something unforeseen happens and you have cancel the session or women cancels and pockets the money.
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http://sessiongirls.com/forum/5-session-announcements/865-sessiongirls-pet-peeves
These rules seem to be... simply politeness. That's becoming rare, which is a pity !
Why would you not be anything but polite if you respect the lady you want to meet.
And that is the point. May be some of the guys who do this feel that do not have to be polite or respect the women because they do sessions for money. How wrong they are.
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http://sessiongirls.com/forum/5-session-announcements/865-sessiongirls-pet-peeves
These rules seem to be... simply politeness. That's becoming rare, which is a pity !
Why would you not be anything but polite if you respect the lady you want to meet.
And that is the point. May be some of the guys who do this feel that do not have to be polite or respect the women because they do sessions for money. How wrong they are.
You would be surprised at the amount of guys who email asking for a session with mile high egos and chips on their shoulder saying they plan to teach us women a lesson and show us who the stronger sex really is. Or guys who get rude and nasty as soon as a women has certain limits that are not negotiable.I have told told I'm nothing but talk quite a few times just cause I have a rule that I no longer give my phone number out for session clients.I have a stalker who has made some pretty nasty threats...so I refuse to give my number out anymore, knowing that so far..he doesn't have this new number. But...the guys can and do get very rude.
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I cannot begin to express my disgust at that type of behavior. As a man, and an admirer of the work fbbers do. I hope they are the exception and not the rule.
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I am sorry to hear the situation is like that. Guys like that take out the enjoyment for everyone. Some people have too many issues to enjoy themselves.
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I cannot begin to express my disgust at that type of behavior. As a man, and an admirer of the work fbbers do. I hope they are the exception and not the rule.
Like you, I admire the women for the amazing athletes they are. When I was in a position to afford sessions, I used the opportunity meet these amazing women.
Unfortunately there are far too many of the bad men out there who do not really respect the women at all. I can also confirm what Shelly said about the emails the girls receive. I met a lady in October and she read me just a selection of the bad emails she receives.
Another woman I met told me that because she lists her cell number, she has lists of numbers in her Contacts with the entry "Time Waster" as all she ever gets is bogus calls from guys trying to have a cheap thrill under the pretense of setting up a session.
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http://sessiongirls.com/forum/5-session-announcements/865-sessiongirls-pet-peeves
These rules seem to be... simply politeness. That's becoming rare, which is a pity !
Why would you not be anything but polite if you respect the lady you want to meet.
And that is the point. May be some of the guys who do this feel that do not have to be polite or respect the women because they do sessions for money. How wrong they are.
You would be surprised at the amount of guys who email asking for a session with mile high egos and chips on their shoulder saying they plan to teach us women a lesson and show us who the stronger sex really is. Or guys who get rude and nasty as soon as a women has certain limits that are not negotiable.I have told told I'm nothing but talk quite a few times just cause I have a rule that I no longer give my phone number out for session clients.I have a stalker who has made some pretty nasty threats...so I refuse to give my number out anymore, knowing that so far..he doesn't have this new number. But...the guys can and do get very rude.
unfortunatly the world is full of idiots ... both sexes, but probably more male :-(
this idiots are responsible that many athletes who maybe would offer sessios don't. with a lot of luck for us the do UTR.
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Unfortunate but true.
Which is why I still maintain that for the guys who have a list of women who are always dependable, handle deposits and even the unfortunate cancellation and return of the deposits with honesty, they are gold dust.
And for women who have a list of men who always treat them with the respect they deserve, they are also gold dust.
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Any official no show schmoe list is bound to be unreliable for the ladies. I've had a sessionette get very pissy at me for giving her 3 weeks notice of my canceling, and I was the one who traveling to her area !!! She might have added me to this list. There some ladies who will add some pretty reliable guys name to this proposed list. Three things will happen 1) some reliable guys will lose out on seeing a lady they would like for the first time 2) some lady will miss out on seeing a reliable guy 3) the ladies will make use of the list and see names of guys they know to be reliable and wonder how many more of the names on the shit list are actually good guys. These ladies have good reason to resent the far to many bad schmoes but they also know many of their fellow FBB are pretty flakey too.
There are lots of flakes on both sides of the session equation and it's unfortunate for everyone, especially for a lady traveling, or in some cases a guy traveling.
IMO the only flaky no show behaviour that I excuse is when it's a new lady who is understandably nervous or unsure about getting started and has an "issue" and has to cancel.
It's an awkward business. A guy like PS probably got a few grey hairs trying to organize it.
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I can honestly say I only ever had one woman ever let a guy down with the Agency. I also didn't deal with male time-wasters either because they knew better.
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I can honestly say I only ever had one woman ever let a guy down with the Agency. I also didn't deal with male time-wasters either because they knew better.
Well that is certainly suggests that a respected intermediary keeps things reliable on both sides. You did have the hammer. As you suggest on future referrals if a guy was not reliable or poorly behaved.
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Any official no show schmoe list is bound to be unreliable for the ladies. I've had a sessionette get very pissy at me for giving her 3 weeks notice of my canceling, and I was the one who traveling to her area !!! She might have added me to this list.
Here is a sample of the TimeWaster Feature. As you can see , the girls are able to be detailed in the information they provide. This Feature is mainly made for the guys who cancel last minute with a bogus excuse, who don't show up at all, or who are considered dangerous
This is not solid proof. However, it is made with good intentions.
(http://www.sessiongirls.com/images/pinups/timewaster_sample.png)
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Any official no show schmoe list is bound to be unreliable for the ladies. I've had a sessionette get very pissy at me for giving her 3 weeks notice of my canceling, and I was the one who traveling to her area !!! She might have added me to this list.
Here is a sample of the TimeWaster Feature. As you can see , the girls are able to be detailed in the information they provide. This Feature is mainly made for the guys who cancel last minute with a bogus excuse, who don't show up at all, or who are considered dangerous
This is not solid proof. However, it is made with good intentions.
(http://www.sessiongirls.com/images/pinups/timewaster_sample.png)
Jennifer did not want this feature made known for all guys to see...esp considering the fact that they can't access it.
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Any official no show schmoe list is bound to be unreliable for the ladies. I've had a sessionette get very pissy at me for giving her 3 weeks notice of my canceling, and I was the one who traveling to her area !!! She might have added me to this list.
Here is a sample of the TimeWaster Feature. As you can see , the girls are able to be detailed in the information they provide. This Feature is mainly made for the guys who cancel last minute with a bogus excuse, who don't show up at all, or who are considered dangerous
This is not solid proof. However, it is made with good intentions.
(http://www.sessiongirls.com/images/pinups/timewaster_sample.png)
Jennifer did not want this feature made known for all guys to see...esp considering the fact that they can't access it.
That's Jennifer posting it. :clap:
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Any official no show schmoe list is bound to be unreliable for the ladies. I've had a sessionette get very pissy at me for giving her 3 weeks notice of my canceling, and I was the one who traveling to her area !!! She might have added me to this list.
Here is a sample of the TimeWaster Feature. As you can see , the girls are able to be detailed in the information they provide. This Feature is mainly made for the guys who cancel last minute with a bogus excuse, who don't show up at all, or who are considered dangerous
This is not solid proof. However, it is made with good intentions.
(http://www.sessiongirls.com/images/pinups/timewaster_sample.png)
Jennifer did not want this feature made known for all guys to see...esp considering the fact that they can't access it.
That's Jennifer posting it. :clap:
Sorry, but GypsyGirlz is not Jennifer. She had told me a few months ago that she did not want it posted for the guys to see, but has thought it over and decided she does want it posted. She has also told me that she is not Gypsygirlz nor is she the person posting it here.
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"Sorry, but GypsyGirlz is not Jennifer. She had told me a few months ago that she did not want it posted for the guys to see, but has thought it over and decided she does want it posted. She has also told me that she is not Gypsygirlz nor is she the person posting it here."
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GypsyGirlz is part of the SessionGirls Site used for promotional purposes to help
get girls exposure on Travels, events, etc .. Since SessionGirls is owned by Jennifer ( ME )
then it is ME who is ultimately responsible for what is posted. I do hire people to help me since
I can't keep up with everything regarding social media, SessionGirls members requests , my Session Requests and living my personal life. I knew the TimeWaster post was going to be posted even thou it was not exactly me who posted it.
LIke I explained to Massive Shelly,
At first I did not want the TimeWaster feature to be known , however as I read other posts from men , I noticed they have a feeling that the Feature works against them, and it does if you are an actual Timewaster!
But i want the guys to see that girls are able to mark how many days a guy
gives notice before cancelling to help protect the Good Guys who canceled 3 weeks in advance like "showmesara" posted here on this thread. Also, I have read some entries on the TimeWaster database where some girls tell the guy that they are putting them on the TImewaster site if the guy flaked.
So there really is no way to keep this Feature Secret.
There used to Sessiongirlreviews.com for the Men to post about the girls , however it was never used and the guy who created it let the site go.
I believe in Fairness on both sides and my ultimate goal is to help in whatever way I can to eliminate the bad apples in this industry whether it be male or female.
Everything is a work in progress ...
Anyhow, i wanted to clear things up. Massive shelly was correct that I don't do the actual postings .. but I am i involved. I apologize for any confusion!
XOXO Jennifer
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Its better than nothing. It will be interesting to see how well this works over time.
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The bottom line to this whole debate is that a lady who does sessions can ask for a deposit and you can refuse to give that deposit. Personally I'm not going to give one no matter how badly I'd like to see the lady. I've had to cancel sessions and except for one time it was in a reasonable amount of time. The one time it was the night before, I'd hurt my back and could barely walk.
So yeah it sucks that the women sometimes get stuck, but as far as I'm concerned I don't know the person I'm dealing with anymore than they know me. So I'm not handing over money that they get to keep if I'm unable to show up.(I don't do it for Doctors) I've paid big money for sessions that were horrible, not worth half the money I paid and I work very hard for my money as well. But I don't hold every woman who does sessions responsible.
I don't begrudge them asking for the deposit. That's the way they choose to do business that's their choice. You make yours and stop bitching about it.
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^-^Sorry Slowryde but crying off for any reason without offering something the night before is woeful. There is no justification for it.
Apologies to Shelly that this was not Jennifer posting.
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IMO the Timewaster would be a more useful for the ladies if there was no anonymous box. The creditability of the list would be much enhanced if the ladies could also verify the creditability of the lady making the complaint.