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Re: Relative Strength
« Reply #30 on: October 26, 2013, 10:45:41 pm »
Exactly Mixedwrestler Jana wrestles with know technique just pure strength, and there wasnt to much u could do. So if a persons really strong, n u jus have technique u can beat them I dont believe that

just to make something clear: jana knows some techniques, i teached her some judo and krav maga...

she is wrestling only with strenght, because:
it is way more impressive
no space on bed for technique
safer for both parts

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Re: Relative Strength
« Reply #30 on: October 26, 2013, 10:45:41 pm »

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Re: Relative Strength
« Reply #31 on: October 27, 2013, 03:15:00 am »
They have weight classes in boxing for a reason too. Mike Tyson would have killed Ray Leonard...who was pretty skilled. I get the gist of what you are saying, but 120 doesn't beat 170 often in boxing unless 170 has never boxed. That is why we have rape in society...other than mentally ill people. Men are bigger and stronger than women in general. They pick on they can prey on usually. Same with kids. You don't see adult men being raped by gays, but you see it with little boys.

I agree with the last fellas on session wrestling. I've never done it, but met many fbbs who do and most of them tell you they stink at wrestling. It is a fantasy thing like stated. The male isn't supposed to try if he's better. ...or what would be the point?  To beat up a session wrestler and say you won?

That's what I've been trying to explain to you. You need to PAY ATTENTION. If the fbb is much larger/stronger than you, she can win with little or no technique.

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Re: Relative Strength
« Reply #32 on: October 27, 2013, 03:46:00 am »
I've read all ylour posts buddy. I think the greatest wrestler in the world at 120 would have a chance vs Jana. In fact I'd bet heavily that he wins. I assume you were making a point. I don't know any men 120, so I'm not sure why anyone would use that example. Average has to be close to 200. Some are fat, but I'd take a strong 200 pounder any day over ayny fbb I met that was not highly skilled in the martial arts...and assuming the guy was not.

I don't know of any 120 pound weak male. I've never seen one...except maybe at a couple of shows and I really did not look closely. I thinkt they were bigger than that.

Unless you are sick or ill....not sure how a man weighs 120. I would say 150 is the lightest I know and that guy is all muscle.....just short at 5-6...tiny guy.

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Re: Relative Strength
« Reply #33 on: October 27, 2013, 03:57:29 am »
My point being how many fbbs would be defined as much bigger than "guys?" None in my case, but I'm big, so lets say 6 foot and 200....I still don't see many. Of course I am assuming a fit man...not a fat slob where the excess weight means nothing except you are harder to move once down. Large amounts of fat don't help much unless they are there for an athletic reason.

5-7,175 fbb isn't pushing around too many guys I know. A few of the old guys at work that never work out, but that is about it. Most of my buddies would crush most fbbs in wrestling. They would not want to, but they could. I tend to have athletic friends since I was an athlete. Lots of former athletes, so maybe that is why......but I still don't see guys under 150 anywhere.....work, gym, bars, out, or wherever.

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Re: Relative Strength
« Reply #34 on: October 27, 2013, 06:54:40 am »
My point being how many fbbs would be defined as much bigger than "guys?" None in my case, but I'm big, so lets say 6 foot and 200....I still don't see many. Of course I am assuming a fit man...not a fat slob where the excess weight means nothing except you are harder to move once down. Large amounts of fat don't help much unless they are there for an athletic reason.

5-7,175 fbb isn't pushing around too many guys I know. A few of the old guys at work that never work out, but that is about it. Most of my buddies would crush most fbbs in wrestling. They would not want to, but they could. I tend to have athletic friends since I was an athlete. Lots of former athletes, so maybe that is why......but I still don't see guys under 150 anywhere.....work, gym, bars, out, or wherever.

 Zig, you don't know too many average men in the United States of America. The average American adult male is woefully out of shape, 5-9 to 5-11 and benches 130-135.
A 5-7, 175-pound female bodybuilder would be Kasie Cavanaugh. I'm in my mid-40s, 6-1, 215, strength anywhere from slightly below average to above average depending on the test of that strength. At my strength peak, 15 years ago, I was 200 pounds, above average across the board and saw Kasie a few times. She dominated me and not on skill. She was more thickly muscled, stronger and it negated my weight advantage.

Research over the years generally puts the average adult guy's strength advantage over the average adult female at 60 percent and almost entirely in the upper body. That's an advantage that could be made up in a few months if the average female sticks to a workout and diet plan to build strength. And that's an average woman. When my mesomorphic wife weighed 175 at 5-8, she could push around the average guy.

Oh, and your football knowledge is flawed, past and present -- Dean did play all three downs, especially during his San Diego days when the Chargers line also included Louie Kelcher and Gary Johnson. By the way, they were at the front of the AFC's No. 3 defense in yards allowed in 1978. Nos. 1 and 2 were the Steel Curtain and the Orange Crush. And that was the first year of the downfield contact rules still in play. The vast majority of teams still based their offense around the run. "He's just too quick and too strong. If he gets his hands on a tackle, he's in charge." That was Madden (he knows football, right?) on Dean in "One Knee Equals Two Feet." Though Wake's known mainly as a pass rusher, he plays all three also now when healthy. And I didn't have to go to Google for either guy's numbers. Dean I knew off the top of my head. Wake's I needed to check in the Dolphins media guide.

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Re: Relative Strength
« Reply #35 on: October 27, 2013, 07:48:54 am »
LuvBigChix, I agree about Kasie being able to beat many many males. But I beg to differ about her technique. Kasie is one of the relatively few women, who can back-up her strength with quite some technique. Granted, compared to " real wrestlers"  she relies more on her strength of course and her technique would be less than average. But in " our sessionword" I'd say her technique is well above average.
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Re: Relative Strength
« Reply #36 on: October 27, 2013, 02:15:18 pm »
I had a session with Kasie in the late 90s.  Though taller and heavier than Kasie, I couldn't match her strength.  I submitted every fall during our match.  She told me then that the only guys she couldn't beat were guys who wrestled in high school or college.  With all her strength and power, Kasie couldn't overcome the skill and technique of these wrestlers.
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Re: Relative Strength
« Reply #37 on: October 27, 2013, 02:16:41 pm »
Technique trumps power most of the time.  Most.  Now if a 300lb dude has mad skill with technique, well, probably you ain't going to win.  But other way around...maybe.

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Re: Relative Strength
« Reply #38 on: October 27, 2013, 04:06:33 pm »
Technique trumps power most of the time. 

did a woman tell you that ?....because they tell "technique trumps size ", but we all know its a lie they tell to the ones with the small penis :-)

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Re: Relative Strength
« Reply #39 on: October 27, 2013, 04:43:52 pm »
I've read all ylour posts buddy. I think the greatest wrestler in the world at 120 would have a chance vs Jana. In fact I'd bet heavily that he wins. I assume you were making a point. I don't know any men 120, so I'm not sure why anyone would use that example. Average has to be close to 200. Some are fat, but I'd take a strong 200 pounder any day over ayny fbb I met that was not highly skilled in the martial arts...and assuming the guy was not.

I don't know of any 120 pound weak male. I've never seen one...except maybe at a couple of shows and I really did not look closely. I thinkt they were bigger than that.

Unless you are sick or ill....not sure how a man weighs 120. I would say 150 is the lightest I know and that guy is all muscle.....just short at 5-6...tiny guy.

So that skinny 120 pound guy would easily out wrestle Jana @ 200 pounds? You need to stop doing drugs. Whether or not you know any man that's 120 is irrelevant. When the weight differential is large enough, technique goes out the window. Also, fbb's are naturally more muscular, so an 180 lb fbb can outwrestle an average 200 lb guy everytime. I myself weigh 140, and I used to date a girl that was 160- she would submit me nearly every single time, no matter what "technique" I used.

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Re: Relative Strength
« Reply #40 on: October 27, 2013, 08:30:36 pm »
Well, if we are talking about strenght, than all it's matter is absolute strenght, we are not talking about relative strenght or weight.

So in wrestling match between average man and FBB, with hard and dense muscle (lets say from bi's 13inch and thights 21 inch) the average man, I believe, could not even move, exept with the arm, you know why  :clap:

When you bring technik into play, well that's another story ...

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Re: Relative Strength
« Reply #41 on: October 27, 2013, 09:13:52 pm »
Well here's a video of bodybuilder wrestling bodybuilder. It's male vs. male but just to illustrate size versus skill battle. The wrestler is Jouko Salomäki who won olympic gold at 74kg in 1984. The bb is Hans Felli who almost weights twice as much and has done some self defense training since working as a bodyguard but see for yourself how it went on.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M7V1eUfccJo

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Re: Relative Strength
« Reply #42 on: October 27, 2013, 11:22:53 pm »
Technique trumps power most of the time. 

did a woman tell you that ?....because they tell "technique trumps size ", but we all know its a lie they tell to the ones with the small penis :-)

"Huh, huh-huh, huh-huh, huh-huh," says Cletus, the slack-jawed yokel.

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Re: Relative Strength
« Reply #43 on: October 28, 2013, 12:45:13 am »
Dean was a  very good player or he would not be in the HOF. It also was a known fact teams ran at him when he was in the game and he was not in the game many downs once he got on a title team like the Niners. Lawrence Taylor was a guy who never came off. There were no 3rd down guys in 75. You should know that if you know the NFL. Specialists started right after that. Guys used to stay out there every down in the 70's.....on all teams. He was a good player, but to argue he was a run guy.....pretty weak and a major reach.

On to the thread subject. Wow. Good info there. I would never have guessed the average guy....however they figured it....can only bench 135. That blows my mind, but then again I'm kind of blown away when I see the statistics of the average American man in general. Income is like 50k, height, weight, fat levels, health....all pretty foreignt to me, though I know a few who are out of shape. This is a well off area, so I guess I'm not exposed to average as much as most. Every NYC seems like alot of fruitiy type guys...and is, but I did not think it was that bad. I kind of see it on the train once in awhile....people all seem small and I get that 6-4 is bigger than average. Not hard to miss, but I thought average was much bigger than 5-9. I have a 6-10 guy next to me at work...hoops player in NBA for a while and very popular.....guess that is why he's there. Don't see the 5-7 types much. My favorite bar must be way above average in size. Never see 5-7 guys....average is 5-11 or 6 I thought. Have to ask.

Good info.

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Re: Relative Strength
« Reply #44 on: October 28, 2013, 12:51:10 am »
Non muscle weight is useless. I can get as low as high 220's and be very low on fat. 240 is fat for me and I've been that high or more. Those days are over. I'm too old for that now. Can't carry fat and maizimize movement in your 40's. I'd be very surprised if Kasie could overpower me....shocked. I've seen footage of her and she looks pretty non athletic and not overly skilled, but I'll take your word for it that I'd be surprised as with Cindy and the 60 pound dumbell curls. Some people are stronger than they look. Some strong people are soft as daisies. I've thrown alot of them around over the years. Strength and taking care of yourself (+pals) used to be highly emphasized. Still is....just see less confrontation as you age....not none by any stretch. Always fools around. I tend to avoid those spots, but they can pop up anywhere once in awhile.

Wow....the average male is pathetic.

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