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Private Sessions => Talking about sessionettes => Topic started by: Pinme on October 22, 2013, 07:38:02 pm
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It's so funny when some guy says all men can beat all women. Of course there are many women who are stronger or better fighters than many men. Here is my guess. While "strength" or "fighting skill" depends on how you measure it, I would propose that there is a bell curve for men and a bell curve for women, and that men are on average stronger, maybe largely because they are bigger. In any case here is my guess. I would guess that the average woman is stronger than the weakest 5% of men, and 5% of strongest women are stronger than the average man. What do you think?
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I guess most FBBs are stronger than average men :)
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If both male and female strength are normally distributed with the same variance, I might put the mean female strength level around two sigma below the mean male strength level and get your result. However, I don't think the same variance assumption is a good one for male versus female strength distributions considering, for example, that the best male raw benchers lift a little over 700lbs while the best female raw benchers around 400lbs. Also, Lawrence Summers made a fairly convincing case for the male intelligence distributions to have greater variance than that for females. I'd tend to believe males are more extreme-- in what matters, anyway.
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In peak years I would say the bigger fbbs were stronger than the average guy...whatever that is. That would apply to weightlifting mainly. I'm not sure how many of them could use the strength well in a leverage event. Some could and others I met stunk at that. The strength did not translate. I'm way above average strength and some fbbs (with roids of course) could outlift me in a few lifts...especially lower body leg machines. There is great variance in strength amongst fbbs..especially is using it. They did some nice lifts for sure. I saw a girl do incline benches for reps at 275 once with free weights and she was not a name bodybuilder. Funny story as that turned out. She was a roid girl I'm sure who was being trained by a male bb, but she was pretty attractive. The whole gym was talking about her or looking. She was super strong and looked it. As strong as most any fbb. She was a 1 time visitor and I never got her name. I think she was in wpw once, but was not 100% sure it was her.....in the tidbits section.
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I would note that I observed Yasmin leg press 1000 pounds, and Cindi Huntress dumbbell curl 60 pounds for multiple reps. Neither is a roidal FBB and I think these lifts are more than the average man could do.
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Did you see Cindy huntress dumbbell curl 60 in person?
Or in a video? I mean 60 lbs seems a lot for a girl who is not huge and on roods.
jeez then I guess a session with her could be a real ass whooping.
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60 is more than an average man can do. Wow. Average man is weak. That is a good lift for Cindy's size. No doubt. She's not a roid girl at all. You always have to watch form and how many reps. Cheating is fairly easy on curls in particular. 60 is not impossible to my mind for Cindy tho. If we are talking an avg man under 60 in curls, then every fbb on the planet can do 60....that I ever so. Some without roids.
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Zig,
That's a 60lb DUMBBELL curl which means 60 in each hand, thus a 120lb curl. The avg. American man is 5'10 and 180lbs. That means the avg. man would have to curl close to 70% of his body weight.
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60 per arm. I'm finding that hard to believe. Average man can not do that. I took it as 60 only. Did not see dumbell word....dumbell here. I can't see Cindy doing that honestly. Many fbbs could not, though many could. Was it a photo op or phot you saw or was it her at the gym actually doing it...or footage of such? That changes it by double and amends my statement that most men not doing that is lame. 60 is no biggie if you are strong, but not for an average guy...whatever that is still.
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Cindy and I went to a health club together and I observed her curl 60 pound dumbbells - yes, dumbbells - multiple times with good form. She is very strong. Of course, she is probably in the top 1% of the top 1% of women, but she is proof that a sexy woman can be very strong.
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I can't add anything about Cindy's arm strength, as 60 pounds seems superhuman given her size. But Cindy's scissors were the strongest I've ever felt. Stronger than Rene Toney or any other bodybuilder I've met. Cindy said that the steroids gave them massive size, but they didn't have the same strength as natural muscle. Some of the other drugs the bodybuilders take for dehydration certainly weaken them, and it doesn't help to gain weight off-season and then diet for contests.
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Cindy said that the steroids gave them massive size, but they didn't have the same strength as natural muscle.
thats real funny :-\ :laugh: :dance:
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It seems hard to believe on Cindy, but not beyond the realm. If Pinme says he saw it, then I'll take his word for me. It isn't like we haven't seen some women do alot more, but not with Cindy's build. She was stronger than she looked which people always said...I just did not think that much stronger. She would fit the bill of beating the average man even though she's smaller.
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Hi Pinme, do you know Cindy personally? If so do you know if she would be available for some sessioning still in Vancouver?
Thanks bud
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I believe Cindy is no longer accepting session requests. Too bad, cause she is a fun and amazing woman and entertainer.
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Damn well that's too bad
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Very interesting topic and very interesting threads lately. Although I never had the opportunity to meet Cindy H. as she has been truly retired for several years, I have seen Yasmin a couple of times recently and both ladies are always at the top of the all time "mention" list when it comes to relative strength. As for Yasmin, she loves her "anacondas" and knows how to use them...enough said.
Another impressive "girl next door" is Julie Squeeze who is really not in the same class as these two, but still will give one a good "tumble". And Veve Lane is "strong as hell" as well.
As to the more 'well known" bodybuilder ladies, I have also had the chance to meet many of them and honestly, I have come away somewhat disappointed...especially the larger ladies who I thought would be much stronger than they were. Without mentioning any names, it does really seem to me that size (juiced or not) does not necessarily translate into strength.
But, you still gotta love em...lol.
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Weight strength in terms of what you can lift is seperate from knowing how to use it. That means leverage, proper technique, and lots of other things. All things being equal....size does matter. Trust me on that. Watch an NFL or NCAA football game and the guys up front. They all weight over 300 for a reason. Not one guy ever plays who's 250 and has that super sneaky strength or leverage. The height matter too up front. Long arms beat short arms if things are equal again. I have some experience with this stuff. I was only a 340 bench guy in college who passed on roids. Most guys were way over 400 and many over 500+. I could handle alot of the 500+ guys almost single time b/c I had longer arms, better feet, and knew how to maximize every bit of my strength.
Wrestling is technique and knowing the things I just mentioned. The girls you guys are talking about are good athletes. Some girls could lift much more, but really were not athletes. Others were. Andrea Trent and Gina Davis come to my mind as athletes. I'll leave the list of non athletes alone.
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Cindy and I went to a health club together and I observed her curl 60 pound dumbbells - yes, dumbbells - multiple times with good form. She is very strong. Of course, she is probably in the top 1% of the top 1% of women, but she is proof that a sexy woman can be very strong.
I concur. She is freakishly strong for a woman her size. It was surprising to the point of 'unbelievable'. I hope she chooses to make a comeback someday.
It's so funny when some guy says all men can beat all women. Of course there are many women who are stronger or better fighters than many men. Here is my guess. While "strength" or "fighting skill" depends on how you measure it, I would propose that there is a bell curve for men and a bell curve for women, and that men are on average stronger, maybe largely because they are bigger. In any case here is my guess. I would guess that the average woman is stronger than the weakest 5% of men, and 5% of strongest women are stronger than the average man. What do you think?
I haven't really tried to quantify what you're saying, but your estimates seem reasonable. I probably talk about it too much myself, but I've always been amazed by how many pull-ups strong women can do compared to strong guys. Even in CrossFit, the guys do not completely dominate the women in this upper-body exercise.
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Weight strength in terms of what you can lift is seperate from knowing how to use it. That means leverage, proper technique, and lots of other things. All things being equal....size does matter. Trust me on that. Watch an NFL or NCAA football game and the guys up front. They all weight over 300 for a reason. Not one guy ever plays who's 250 and has that super sneaky strength or leverage. The height matter too up front. Long arms beat short arms if things are equal again. I have some experience with this stuff. I was only a 340 bench guy in college who passed on roids. Most guys were way over 400 and many over 500+. I could handle alot of the 500+ guys almost single time b/c I had longer arms, better feet, and knew how to maximize every bit of my strength.
Wrestling is technique and knowing the things I just mentioned. The girls you guys are talking about are good athletes. Some girls could lift much more, but really were not athletes. Others were. Andrea Trent and Gina Davis come to my mind as athletes. I'll leave the list of non athletes alone.
What about the girls who arent really good wrestlers but are just reall strong that can be hard to take when wrestling like a jana or amber steel
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Weight strength in terms of what you can lift is seperate from knowing how to use it. That means leverage, proper technique, and lots of other things. All things being equal....size does matter. Trust me on that. Watch an NFL or NCAA football game and the guys up front. They all weight over 300 for a reason. Not one guy ever plays who's 250 and has that super sneaky strength or leverage.
Ladies and gentlemen, Fred Dean, Hall of Fame pass rusher, 230 pounds at peak weight, well known for not just his quickness and speed, but unusual strength going against left tackles as 280 to 300-pounders became more common.
Want more modern? Pro Bowl pass rusher Cameron Wake lists at 258, which puts him under 250 by October.
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Getting us back on topic, I will note that there are three types of women I like. 1). Women who are stronger than me. 2). Woman who can outwrestle me. 3). Women who are stronger than me and also can outwrestle me. There are session women out there in all three categories. I am especially enamoured with good looking normal sized women in Category 3. Veve and Jolie come to mind.
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I can agree with wolf5. I wrestled Jana, and she turned out to be freakishly strong! Not much technique, and she officially does only semi-comp. But even when I tried to fight back, once she had me in whatever grip, it was game over for me.
And another thing about relative strength. Somewhere on youtube there is a video of " sport science" , where Lucia Rijker proves to hit twice as hard as a pro boxer who is almost double her size. It turnes out she has a much better technique than this guy.
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Exactly Mixedwrestler Jana wrestles with know technique just pure strength, and there wasnt to much u could do. So if a persons really strong, n u jus have technique u can beat them I dont believe that
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Wrestling is a strength sport. As the difference in raw strength of the wrestlers increase, the technique factor has a diminishing effect. This is why wrestling competitions are divided into weight classes. Even if you're the world's greatest wrestler in the world, you won't stand a chance against an fbb like Jana if you're a skinny 120 pound guy.
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Fred Dean and Cameron don't play on 1st down vs the run. Get it? Of course, speed can get around power. Speed beats power in a pass rush situation. Dean was a 3rd down only guy if you recall, though very good at what he did which was rush the passer. You obviously don't know much about football. Tell me how many OL are in the NFL that are under 300 pounds right now? That is 250 plus players. Of course defenders are a bit smaller outside of the middle b/c they have to cover people in the schemes used nowadays. Guys like Cameron cover people in certain schemes. Clueless guy who must use google for his life's info. 258 is really small....eh? Neither one of those guys is Reggie White. Dean was on the right team at the right time. Niners were good. He woud not play in today's game as a hand down DE.
Leverage wins. Did you ever think why Dean was watching from the side on 1st down often and called a "3rd down specialist?" He was too small and got run over vs the run. That is why he's not an all time great. If he was 270, then he would have been. 230 then is like 260 now, so the modern comparasion is about right. I doubt Cameron sniffs greatness. Schemes my man...schemes. Learn of what you speak.
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120 would not beat 170 very often. A very skilled 120....if you ever watch those classes are usually all based in quickness +technique. There is a reason for the weight class. Someone the same weight as whatever Jana is would likely beat her if they have an athletic bone in their body. You can see that she and most session fbbs are pretty unskilled. I've never been interested in that sort of thing b/c I know it would disappoint me. Perhaps a roll with some of the best looking ladies in a fun sense, but why pay? I get it tho. It fufills a fetish. There are bigger fish to fry than session wrestlers or even the worlds oldest profession.
Wrestling is much more about technique than it is about strength. I had a buddy who went to the olympics in wrestling greco roman, though he was great in high school and college (scholarship of course). He was in the 170 class and his natural weight was about 195. He used to get killed in football. He was only skilled in wrestling. Could not hit a ball, catch a ball, or handle a block from a guy much bigger. He did make a few tackles in high school, but was only decent vs the run.
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I see what you guys are saying but sometimes strength can out match the weight/wrestling technique. Ive read on this forum some dude was 6'4 220lb and Jana still completely dominated him. Im like 190-200lb and play sports and I couldnt get her off me at all when she pinned me.
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120 would not beat 170 very often. A very skilled 120....if you ever watch those classes are usually all based in quickness +technique. There is a reason for the weight class. Someone the same weight as whatever Jana is would likely beat her if they have an athletic bone in their body. You can see that she and most session fbbs are pretty unskilled. I've never been interested in that sort of thing b/c I know it would disappoint me. Perhaps a roll with some of the best looking ladies in a fun sense, but why pay? I get it tho. It fufills a fetish. There are bigger fish to fry than session wrestlers or even the worlds oldest profession.
Wrestling is much more about technique than it is about strength. I had a buddy who went to the olympics in wrestling greco roman, though he was great in high school and college (scholarship of course). He was in the 170 class and his natural weight was about 195. He used to get killed in football. He was only skilled in wrestling. Could not hit a ball, catch a ball, or handle a block from a guy much bigger. He did make a few tackles in high school, but was only decent vs the run.
In boxing, a skinny 120 pound with "quickness and technique" can take down many big guys. Fetish wrestling is a completely different ballgame. If the guys complain about fbb's not being "skilled" enough, they need to go to the local gym and find people who take wrestling as seriously as they do. You wouldn't ask a lawyer to fix your car, and vice versa. It's the same idea here. Yes, wrestling is much more about technique that it is about strength IN THE SAME/SIMILAR WEIGHT CLASS.. not when you're wrestling someone who has 80 pounds on you. This is jut common sense folks.
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They have weight classes in boxing for a reason too. Mike Tyson would have killed Ray Leonard...who was pretty skilled. I get the gist of what you are saying, but 120 doesn't beat 170 often in boxing unless 170 has never boxed. That is why we have rape in society...other than mentally ill people. Men are bigger and stronger than women in general. They pick on they can prey on usually. Same with kids. You don't see adult men being raped by gays, but you see it with little boys.
I agree with the last fellas on session wrestling. I've never done it, but met many fbbs who do and most of them tell you they stink at wrestling. It is a fantasy thing like stated. The male isn't supposed to try if he's better. ...or what would be the point? To beat up a session wrestler and say you won?
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Exactly Mixedwrestler Jana wrestles with know technique just pure strength, and there wasnt to much u could do. So if a persons really strong, n u jus have technique u can beat them I dont believe that
just to make something clear: jana knows some techniques, i teached her some judo and krav maga...
she is wrestling only with strenght, because:
it is way more impressive
no space on bed for technique
safer for both parts
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They have weight classes in boxing for a reason too. Mike Tyson would have killed Ray Leonard...who was pretty skilled. I get the gist of what you are saying, but 120 doesn't beat 170 often in boxing unless 170 has never boxed. That is why we have rape in society...other than mentally ill people. Men are bigger and stronger than women in general. They pick on they can prey on usually. Same with kids. You don't see adult men being raped by gays, but you see it with little boys.
I agree with the last fellas on session wrestling. I've never done it, but met many fbbs who do and most of them tell you they stink at wrestling. It is a fantasy thing like stated. The male isn't supposed to try if he's better. ...or what would be the point? To beat up a session wrestler and say you won?
That's what I've been trying to explain to you. You need to PAY ATTENTION. If the fbb is much larger/stronger than you, she can win with little or no technique.
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I've read all ylour posts buddy. I think the greatest wrestler in the world at 120 would have a chance vs Jana. In fact I'd bet heavily that he wins. I assume you were making a point. I don't know any men 120, so I'm not sure why anyone would use that example. Average has to be close to 200. Some are fat, but I'd take a strong 200 pounder any day over ayny fbb I met that was not highly skilled in the martial arts...and assuming the guy was not.
I don't know of any 120 pound weak male. I've never seen one...except maybe at a couple of shows and I really did not look closely. I thinkt they were bigger than that.
Unless you are sick or ill....not sure how a man weighs 120. I would say 150 is the lightest I know and that guy is all muscle.....just short at 5-6...tiny guy.
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My point being how many fbbs would be defined as much bigger than "guys?" None in my case, but I'm big, so lets say 6 foot and 200....I still don't see many. Of course I am assuming a fit man...not a fat slob where the excess weight means nothing except you are harder to move once down. Large amounts of fat don't help much unless they are there for an athletic reason.
5-7,175 fbb isn't pushing around too many guys I know. A few of the old guys at work that never work out, but that is about it. Most of my buddies would crush most fbbs in wrestling. They would not want to, but they could. I tend to have athletic friends since I was an athlete. Lots of former athletes, so maybe that is why......but I still don't see guys under 150 anywhere.....work, gym, bars, out, or wherever.
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My point being how many fbbs would be defined as much bigger than "guys?" None in my case, but I'm big, so lets say 6 foot and 200....I still don't see many. Of course I am assuming a fit man...not a fat slob where the excess weight means nothing except you are harder to move once down. Large amounts of fat don't help much unless they are there for an athletic reason.
5-7,175 fbb isn't pushing around too many guys I know. A few of the old guys at work that never work out, but that is about it. Most of my buddies would crush most fbbs in wrestling. They would not want to, but they could. I tend to have athletic friends since I was an athlete. Lots of former athletes, so maybe that is why......but I still don't see guys under 150 anywhere.....work, gym, bars, out, or wherever.
Zig, you don't know too many average men in the United States of America. The average American adult male is woefully out of shape, 5-9 to 5-11 and benches 130-135.
A 5-7, 175-pound female bodybuilder would be Kasie Cavanaugh. I'm in my mid-40s, 6-1, 215, strength anywhere from slightly below average to above average depending on the test of that strength. At my strength peak, 15 years ago, I was 200 pounds, above average across the board and saw Kasie a few times. She dominated me and not on skill. She was more thickly muscled, stronger and it negated my weight advantage.
Research over the years generally puts the average adult guy's strength advantage over the average adult female at 60 percent and almost entirely in the upper body. That's an advantage that could be made up in a few months if the average female sticks to a workout and diet plan to build strength. And that's an average woman. When my mesomorphic wife weighed 175 at 5-8, she could push around the average guy.
Oh, and your football knowledge is flawed, past and present -- Dean did play all three downs, especially during his San Diego days when the Chargers line also included Louie Kelcher and Gary Johnson. By the way, they were at the front of the AFC's No. 3 defense in yards allowed in 1978. Nos. 1 and 2 were the Steel Curtain and the Orange Crush. And that was the first year of the downfield contact rules still in play. The vast majority of teams still based their offense around the run. "He's just too quick and too strong. If he gets his hands on a tackle, he's in charge." That was Madden (he knows football, right?) on Dean in "One Knee Equals Two Feet." Though Wake's known mainly as a pass rusher, he plays all three also now when healthy. And I didn't have to go to Google for either guy's numbers. Dean I knew off the top of my head. Wake's I needed to check in the Dolphins media guide.
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LuvBigChix, I agree about Kasie being able to beat many many males. But I beg to differ about her technique. Kasie is one of the relatively few women, who can back-up her strength with quite some technique. Granted, compared to " real wrestlers" she relies more on her strength of course and her technique would be less than average. But in " our sessionword" I'd say her technique is well above average.
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I had a session with Kasie in the late 90s. Though taller and heavier than Kasie, I couldn't match her strength. I submitted every fall during our match. She told me then that the only guys she couldn't beat were guys who wrestled in high school or college. With all her strength and power, Kasie couldn't overcome the skill and technique of these wrestlers.
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Technique trumps power most of the time. Most. Now if a 300lb dude has mad skill with technique, well, probably you ain't going to win. But other way around...maybe.
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Technique trumps power most of the time.
did a woman tell you that ?....because they tell "technique trumps size ", but we all know its a lie they tell to the ones with the small penis :-)
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I've read all ylour posts buddy. I think the greatest wrestler in the world at 120 would have a chance vs Jana. In fact I'd bet heavily that he wins. I assume you were making a point. I don't know any men 120, so I'm not sure why anyone would use that example. Average has to be close to 200. Some are fat, but I'd take a strong 200 pounder any day over ayny fbb I met that was not highly skilled in the martial arts...and assuming the guy was not.
I don't know of any 120 pound weak male. I've never seen one...except maybe at a couple of shows and I really did not look closely. I thinkt they were bigger than that.
Unless you are sick or ill....not sure how a man weighs 120. I would say 150 is the lightest I know and that guy is all muscle.....just short at 5-6...tiny guy.
So that skinny 120 pound guy would easily out wrestle Jana @ 200 pounds? You need to stop doing drugs. Whether or not you know any man that's 120 is irrelevant. When the weight differential is large enough, technique goes out the window. Also, fbb's are naturally more muscular, so an 180 lb fbb can outwrestle an average 200 lb guy everytime. I myself weigh 140, and I used to date a girl that was 160- she would submit me nearly every single time, no matter what "technique" I used.
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Well, if we are talking about strenght, than all it's matter is absolute strenght, we are not talking about relative strenght or weight.
So in wrestling match between average man and FBB, with hard and dense muscle (lets say from bi's 13inch and thights 21 inch) the average man, I believe, could not even move, exept with the arm, you know why :clap:
When you bring technik into play, well that's another story ...
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Well here's a video of bodybuilder wrestling bodybuilder. It's male vs. male but just to illustrate size versus skill battle. The wrestler is Jouko Salomäki who won olympic gold at 74kg in 1984. The bb is Hans Felli who almost weights twice as much and has done some self defense training since working as a bodyguard but see for yourself how it went on.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M7V1eUfccJo
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Technique trumps power most of the time.
did a woman tell you that ?....because they tell "technique trumps size ", but we all know its a lie they tell to the ones with the small penis :-)
"Huh, huh-huh, huh-huh, huh-huh," says Cletus, the slack-jawed yokel.
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Dean was a very good player or he would not be in the HOF. It also was a known fact teams ran at him when he was in the game and he was not in the game many downs once he got on a title team like the Niners. Lawrence Taylor was a guy who never came off. There were no 3rd down guys in 75. You should know that if you know the NFL. Specialists started right after that. Guys used to stay out there every down in the 70's.....on all teams. He was a good player, but to argue he was a run guy.....pretty weak and a major reach.
On to the thread subject. Wow. Good info there. I would never have guessed the average guy....however they figured it....can only bench 135. That blows my mind, but then again I'm kind of blown away when I see the statistics of the average American man in general. Income is like 50k, height, weight, fat levels, health....all pretty foreignt to me, though I know a few who are out of shape. This is a well off area, so I guess I'm not exposed to average as much as most. Every NYC seems like alot of fruitiy type guys...and is, but I did not think it was that bad. I kind of see it on the train once in awhile....people all seem small and I get that 6-4 is bigger than average. Not hard to miss, but I thought average was much bigger than 5-9. I have a 6-10 guy next to me at work...hoops player in NBA for a while and very popular.....guess that is why he's there. Don't see the 5-7 types much. My favorite bar must be way above average in size. Never see 5-7 guys....average is 5-11 or 6 I thought. Have to ask.
Good info.
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Non muscle weight is useless. I can get as low as high 220's and be very low on fat. 240 is fat for me and I've been that high or more. Those days are over. I'm too old for that now. Can't carry fat and maizimize movement in your 40's. I'd be very surprised if Kasie could overpower me....shocked. I've seen footage of her and she looks pretty non athletic and not overly skilled, but I'll take your word for it that I'd be surprised as with Cindy and the 60 pound dumbell curls. Some people are stronger than they look. Some strong people are soft as daisies. I've thrown alot of them around over the years. Strength and taking care of yourself (+pals) used to be highly emphasized. Still is....just see less confrontation as you age....not none by any stretch. Always fools around. I tend to avoid those spots, but they can pop up anywhere once in awhile.
Wow....the average male is pathetic.
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I thought the subject was football. Do you realize that on the Cowboys last drive of the game Sunday, the Vikings had Kevin Williams dropping back into pass protection and they got burned for a last minute touchdown? I think he is relatively strong, but not built to cover a quick fullback or tight end.
And, oh yeah, wasn't the subject boxing? I once saw Lucia Rijker fight a last minute replacement who was clearly 20 pounds over the weight limit for their division. Rijker knocked her down with with a left hook to the body and she couldn't get up. A LEFT to the body took the much bigger woman out of the fight.
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Wrestling is a strength sport. As the difference in raw strength of the wrestlers increase, the technique factor has a diminishing effect. This is why wrestling competitions are divided into weight classes. Even if you're the world's greatest wrestler in the world, you won't stand a chance against an fbb like Jana if you're a skinny 120 pound guy.
You know nothing about wrestling a ncaa 125lb champion would smash Jana
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u really believe that a 125lb wrestling champ going against a really big fbb in Jana whose about 200lbs now, would really win I cant see it the weight is to much of difference.
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u really believe that a 125lb wrestling champ going against a really big fbb in Jana whose about 200lbs now, would really win I cant see it the weight is to much of difference.
Pretty sure he would. Just watch that clip posted to previous page where 74kg wrestler takes against 140kg bodybuilder.
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He easily would. A world class 120 pounder vs a non skilled woman who's older. How is that going to come out in any sport? Can he beat another 170 pound top wrestler? Hell no. Wrestling is lots of technique. The best 120 pounders have been wrestling since they were 5...every day or close. That is all they do. How would he not beat a unskilled 175 pound older fbb? Not the best analogy. Sugar Ray Leanoard could knock out any women boxer in his heyday too.
Not sure why we are comparing world class athletes to session fbbs. No session wrestler is a world class athlete.
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Not sure why we are comparing world class athletes to session fbbs. No session wrestler is a world class athlete.
Because some people are complaining that fbb's that weight twice as much as they do can't keep up with them in a wrestling match. If they want a competitive wrestling match, they need to head down to the local gym and wrestle a guy.. good luck having his meat rub up all over your face.
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I see what u guys are saying put this guy is only 125lbs, someone like Jana who is 200lb and freakishly strong it would be hard for him to keep her in any holds thou
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he would not have too much trouble keeping the holds on. Weight strength and wrestling strength are two different things. That guys is way strong than her relative to their weights. His quickness would make it impossible. Quickness is part of relative strength in wrestling. His edge there is far more than her size edge.
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I see what u guys are saying put this guy is only 125lbs, someone like Jana who is 200lb and freakishly strong it would be hard for him to keep her in any holds thou
That's an understatement. The average 125 lb guy would be chewed up and probably send to the hospital. I hope he has some good health insurance. :laugh:
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It's so funny when some guy says all men can beat all women. Of course there are many women who are stronger or better fighters than many men... What do you think?
This is purely speculative, but I think there are a lot of female bodybuilders & she- strength competitors who are significantly stronger than the 'average' man.
As pointed out earlier in this thread, there's a large cross-section of 'average' men (out of shape couch potatoes in America & you combine that with guys outside of the Western world.. who may be in good shape but are slightly built.) These guys wouldn't have near the strength Kat Connors, Elena Seiple have cultivated.
But fighting would be a different story.. Men have that aggressive, instinctive drive to scrap. An instinct that even strong, well-conditioned women typically lack. So I think the strength advantage female bodybuilders have, would be somewhat neutralized in an instinctive fist-fight (unless they're trained to manipulate that aggression against them, martial arts, etc). But as far as wrestling, I'm guessing a lot of muscled-up session wrestlers CAN overpower couch potatoes & fly-weights.. & personally I think a woman that is truly stronger than her male opponent is sexy as Hell ~
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I recall reading an article, I think it was in Muscle & Fitness years ago, about ligament strength. Something that's harder to develop as a person ages. I guess that's where the expression "wiry" would apply.
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3 comments:
1). I have wrestled plenty of women who had great fighting instincts and desire. Yasmin, Jolie, Helen, Mallory Sin, Mayra, Raquel (Seattle) etc., were born to fight!
2). I have also noticed that women who were very athletic as girls (especially gymnasts) seem to carry that strength as adults, assuming they keep active. Building muscles when young seems to be effective.
3). I recently wrestled Veve and Kara. They are both out of this world strong. I am sure Kara would out-wrestle most men just on strength alone. They both just toyed with me.
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Hmzzz...I never would have given Kara that. I thought she was "just" a dominatrix that could only beat guys wrestling that let her somehow win.
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I have only been with two women who were stronger than me. Amber DeLuca and Mighty Heidi. I was pretty much evenly matched with Megan Avalon and with Mighty Heidi until she got stronger over the past year.
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I've Met Jana and would crush her, though I'm not 125. I would whip her at the same weight. How did this so called average 125 male get back into the question? 125 is puny for a guy, so there is no such thing as average at that size. The question was could a champion male wrestler beat a 200 pound female bodybuilder and the answer is yes. You guys need to get out and watch sports more. I love the strong women , but many are unskilled. Some of the skilled ones mentioned might give the 125 pound guy trouble, but they could do zero with him and world class technique and speed beyond anything any of those women has ever seen. Amber might not get pinned in her peak and this holds true for some of the black belts, but no way they win a regular wrestling match with a world class 125 pound guy. That guy would pin 10 average males in a row and all of them in 10 seconds or less. He'd crush average males up to 160 in that way. It isn't that easy to get a hold of a fast 5 foot tall 125 pound guy with world class moves...not a chance.
Average 125 pound guy would be killed by those women...average and champion are two different things. The average guy would be carted off an NFL field in a body bag after a couple of carries too. The average guy is less than a top female in any sport. That includes strength sports. The elite male is way better than the elite female. Simple stuff.
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Amber did not add the weight for powerlifting. She just wanted to get as strong as she could for herself and her fans. The lifts she did were niche lifts with a onehanded press of a skinny small guy or girl being her most done. She was getting to the age where it was now or never if she wanted to push the limits and she decided that was what she wanted to try.
Most of the women who do sessions are not overly skilled. They do it for the money. They get more skilled with practice I'm sure, but a session is not a real fight or match to my knowledge. The guy plays ragdoll for the girl. I don't recall any fbb ever telling me they lost to a guy in a session. I never did one, but was told they were mostly staged and each guy had a little different request or liking. Some girls apparently had a steady routine way of doing it.
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Mighty Heidi must be freakishly strong for her size. Hopefully one day I'll find out how strong she is firsthand.
I have only been with two women who were stronger than me. Amber DeLuca and Mighty Heidi. I was pretty much evenly matched with Megan Avalon and with Mighty Heidi until she got stronger over the past year.
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I was just curious what these girls can do to a 130 lbs guy. How strong are these girls compared to him. Also can regular girls do it if the try hard...
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You ever see a cat toy with a mouse? Think it would be a lot like that. But with a an average woman it is a different story.
I was just curious what these girls can do to a 130 lbs guy. How strong are these girls compared to him. Also can regular girls do it if the try hard...
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Male are naturaly stronger than female, even with the same amount of muscle mass. But ofcourse there are natural strong females who are stronger than naturaly weak man but there are also natural strong female that are stronger than average strong male.
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Strongwomanpatricia, I'm pretty sure which category you belong to.
Male are naturaly stronger than female, even with the same amount of muscle mass. But ofcourse there are natural strong females who are stronger than naturaly weak man but there are also natural strong female that are stronger than average strong male.
Whaha the guys in my gym know to and not all of them are happy with that
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Whaha the guys in my gym know to and not all of them are happy with that
That sounds like a them problem, though. ;-)
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Whaha the guys in my gym know to and not all of them are happy with that
That sounds like a them problem, though. ;-)
I have had some times that they started doing different exercises (and most of times total different muscle group) once i started doing the same exercise they did next to them. Especially with benchpress and bicep curls. So funny
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I was just curious what these girls can do to a 130 lbs guy. How strong are these girls compared to him. Also can regular girls do it if the try hard...
Hah some days I wish I weighed that much and was shorter.
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I was just curious what these girls can do to a 130 lbs guy. How strong are these girls compared to him. Also can regular girls do it if the try hard...
Hah some days I wish I weighed that much and was shorter.
I wish I weighed 130. Like i would be dominated by literally any female 140 and over
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I was just curious what these girls can do to a 130 lbs guy. How strong are these girls compared to him. Also can regular girls do it if the try hard...
Hah some days I wish I weighed that much and was shorter.
I wish I weighed 130. Like i would be dominated by literally any female 140 and over
Yes! I feel you. I'm somewhat lucky that I weigh 145lbs, sometimes dropping to 140 and would say below to average strength. Met Sheena and Anat for wrestling and lift and carry and trying to move them was like trying to move a fire hydrant lol. A dream of mine is seeing how a 200lbs+ strong woman can handle me. Eheh
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I was just curious what these girls can do to a 130 lbs guy. How strong are these girls compared to him. Also can regular girls do it if the try hard...
Hah some days I wish I weighed that much and was shorter.
I wish I weighed 130. Like i would be dominated by literally any female 140 and over
Yes! I feel you. I'm somewhat lucky that I weigh 145lbs, sometimes dropping to 140 and would say below to average strength. Met Sheena and Anat for wrestling and lift and carry and trying to move them was like trying to move a fire hydrant lol. A dream of mine is seeing how a 200lbs+ strong woman can handle me. Eheh
Some women might be able to overhead lift you. Dominique Danger, Amber de Luca, maybe Tapered physique, Tazzie colomb back then.
I mean Sheena owns dudes over 200 pounds. Anat I’ve seen lift guys 220-230. I’m 230 and tapered physique owns me and lifts me around like crazy. Yeah dude you can get average girls or athletes to toss you around! Lucky punk! Hahaha