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Private Sessions => Talking about sessionettes => Topic started by: Steve on January 09, 2022, 08:38:49 pm
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Female wrestling fans,
SessionGirls.com will most likely fork into 2 different websites on
January 11th, due to differences between Jennifer and me.
My side of things. I have been financing, moderating, and programming
sessiongirls for 7 years now, all never paid. Jennifer was SUPPOSED to
give me 50% of the website in exchange for doing this, but did not. I
am instead getting 0%.
Other differences arise from how the site is to be moderated.
Historically, Jennifer has had "final say" on the great bulk of the
issues regarding sessiongirls moderation, but I feel she's being
unfair to the guys on several key issues, and she's also not devoting
enough resources to moderation.
But anyway, now that there will most likely be a split. On January
11th, sessiongirls.com will point to a completely different website,
and the current sessiongirls.com website will point to another domain.
That "old" sessiongirls website will morph into more of a moderation
site, since Jennifer does not want to devote resources to this. The
focus will more likely be different. I am not sure what to call the
new domain, so any suggestions are welcome.
SessionGirls has also expanded way way beyond what I can support as a
single individual, as I have a bunch of other things in my life as
well. I am therefore looking to contract out to graphic designers,
react developers, and moderators to help assist me in changing over to
the new site. Right now, I need some mockups for the new home page so
any interested graphic designers, emails me. I will be adding features
like identity verification, social media-based reputation systems, a
forum and maybe even a smart contract system to handle session
deposits to the new system. The new site will also carry over the
"scammers" section, which Jennifer does not want to deal with.
You can re-post on social media, but discussions should be address
here on this messageboard, as longer thoughts lead to better thinking.
For general announcements, scammers we find, and any safety issues
regarding sessioning, please subscribe to this twit*** account:
@ session_steve
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Ideas for new names for 'sessiongirls' FEM-SESH, MeetFemGreet, Connect4Fun, GrappleGreet , ThighToThighContact, Let the FemForce B with U. I know they're corny, but who knows what is right for the next stage in the sessioning world ?
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Thank you for the contributions. The new website will probably deal with moderation and will not be a direct competitor to sessiongirls.com, at least at first. This is because Jennifer refuses to moderate the site in any meaningful way for fraud. I am actually thinking "sessionsafe.com".
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Thank you for the contributions. The new website will probably deal with moderation and will not be a direct competitor to sessiongirls.com, at least at first. This is because Jennifer refuses to moderate the site in any meaningful way for fraud. I am actually thinking "sessionsafe.com".
That site already exists.
Today's the day, anything happening?
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How about 'Safe2Session.com' ?
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Bulkettes-R-Us!!
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The switch has already begun. With no traveling ladies, etc. Good thing I booked while I could.
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The new site seems broken. Many missing girls. The key travel discovery feature ‘recent updates’ is buried and has no updates. Generally looks like a half baked re-skin with no additional features.
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I read OP's post more than once and I'm still a little confused. I don't know if I'm the only one.
Right now, when i go to https://sessiongirls.com/, whose site am I going to? Is it Steve's site or Jennifer's?
I assume it was Jennifer's because a couple posts later Steve was taking a poll on names for his new site.
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I read OP's post more than once and I'm still a little confused. I don't know if I'm the only one.
Right now, when i go to https://sessiongirls.com/, whose site am I going to? Is it Steve's site or Jennifer's?
I assume it was Jennifer's because a couple posts later Steve was taking a poll on names for his new site.
Jennifer's
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Steve, it sounds like you’re launching a second site dedicated to calling attention to problematic providers which seems like it could somewhat overlap with this forum, but obviously the forum isn’t a very easy way to digest this type information and many providers have little to no reviews. Given there are always multiple sides to every story, this type of provider “moderation” would likely need to be something like a yelp review score to capture various experiences I would think?
Another under served need you could add to your site would be to help girls figure out where their fans are so they can travel there instead of primarily going to NYC, Vegas, etc.
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I would hold off on making new profiles on the site.
It looks like the profiles people are creating makes them visible on the home page, with pictures! I would give the site a few days to work out the kinks. Unless you wanted your name and picture exposed to everyone.
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UGH Well now it is not happening. I would still give them a few days to situate everything.
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It's a pity, Splitting one good Thing into to not so good ones ...
Looks like a classical lose / lose Situation :(
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I see hints of payments for access? I hope she is not going to charge for access. The girl gets a fee for posting (If I recall) adding one for the guys is not going to go over well.
The page not found list is showing guys signing up. Please use caution if you value privacy. For example https://sessiongirls.com/wrestlers/city/Dallas this was my bookmarked page which is now invalid.
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Wait so is there going to be a public page with photos of session seeking males? That would be a non-starter lol.
Also, half the girls are missing. Perhaps that’s because they don’t want to pay. That would seriously limit girls from testing the waters if they are on the fence. Why not just charge them to be featured?
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Wait so is there going to be a public page with photos of session seeking males? That would be a non-starter lol.
Also, half the girls are missing. Perhaps that’s because they don’t want to pay. That would seriously limit girls from testing the waters if they are on the fence. Why not just charge them to be featured?
Can you say, "wb270.com"?? ;)
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Also, half the girls are missing. Perhaps that’s because they don’t want to pay. That would seriously limit girls from testing the waters if they are on the fence. Why not just charge them to be featured?
I've noticed some profiles slowly trickling back in. Give it a few more days. And I believe SG was charging a fee prior to this and had been for the last couple of years or so. There was a rampant number of fake profiles appearing and disappearing before they charged a fee.
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wow yeah I tried to leave a review on the old site a few days ago, which never got approved cause I guess they were doing the transition. was going to make an account and post it on the new site, but sorry, not if the guys' profiles are showing up for everyone to see. I guess this site wasn't tested much at all before launch. I wonder if Jennifer wanted some kind of system for girls to be able to review guys privately or something, I don't know. either way, it's not a finished site.
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Also, half the girls are missing. Perhaps that’s because they don’t want to pay. That would seriously limit girls from testing the waters if they are on the fence. Why not just charge them to be featured?
I've noticed some profiles slowly trickling back in. Give it a few more days. And I believe SG was charging a fee prior to this and had been for the last couple of years or so. There was a rampant number of fake profiles appearing and disappearing before they charged a fee.
The solution for that was probably more about photo verification. Scammers can still pay to list a fake profile if they’re going to request deposits.
If it had cost providers money to keep up profile up then i very much doubt providers like mistress treasure that haven’t posted travel or logged in since ~2020 would have continued to pay simply to keep a profile.
And ya, seeing the guys’ photos on the ‘not found’ page is a major private issue. Roll back and QA.
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Clawson,
Yes, the new site IS broken. Jennifer often does things spontaneously without stop and thinking about it first.
Mind you, the old sessiongirls site was poorly done, and I am deeply ashamed of it. It was initially a side thing, but is very difficult to deal with business issues, program the site, moderate the site, and deal with other things in my life all at once. So I am hiring professional graphic designers to help me with this. I am also changing the site to use more modern tooling, like typescript and react.
Jennifer's new site will probably be broken and probably not work very well. She copied all the worst aspects of it without improving it. And I doubt the people she got to do it will stick with her because she's very difficult to deal with regarding things like her paying people. She's also incredibly resistent to moderating the site, she simply will not do it. Watch and notice how moderation issues on the new site won't be handled properly.
If there are moderation issues, contact me on this site:
https://polar-tor-6038.herokuapp.com/
and I will see what I can do about getting it resolved.
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e_honda,
https://sessiongirls.com/ - Jennifer's new site
https://polar-tor-6038.herokuapp.com/ - steve's site
I am probably going to rename is sessionsafe.org or something else. I can't think of a good domain name. I always liked sessiongirls, but that's obviously taken.
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Renrew,
Yes, I agree. This is a classical "lose/lose" situation. The problem is Jennifer is highly emotional and just does things and does not check with fans, employees, or me before doing them. She just does it. If she had given me time to assist in the changeover, it wouldn't have to be so disruptive to everyone. So now girl profiles are now not showing, guys can't get their sessions done, and money is not being made by the sessiongirls.
In the meantime, you can use the old site here:
https://polar-tor-6038.herokuapp.com/
I will give a formal domain change when I figure out what to do.
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wookie224,
The new sessiongirls.com will most likely be a pay site yes. Jennifer wants to charge $50/month to girls for posting a profile up, and $75/month for higher placement on the list. I told Jennifer, repeatedly, that this is not in the best interests of the site or the girls. But Jennifer won't listen to anyone other than herself.
As for privacy issues, Jennifer and I have gotten over arguments over this, as I believe she's too inattentive to guy's concerns, and is over-biased towards girl's concerns.
We will have to see how this goes, but I doubt Jennifer will manage the new site properly, personally.
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Steve’s site looks like old site - but needs a name you can remember - Jennifer’s site is hopefully a work in progress but right now it only has a few listed and not by city - so it’s difficult to navigate
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> I've noticed some profiles slowly trickling back in. Give it a few more days. And I believe SG was charging a fee prior to this and had been for the last couple of years or so. There was a rampant number of fake profiles appearing and disappearing before they charged a fee
e_honda,
SessionGirls charged girls a monthly fee to appear on sessiongirls, but 75% of them dropped out. And the ones that were there were not session wrestlers but prostitutes. This was shortly before covid hit. We changed it back to the free site and I was more aggressive with potential scammers. There is a "gold plan" where if a girl pays $19.99 a month, she gets higher placement. But the site was mostly free until now.
The new website will start charging girls for appearing there, but most of the girls will probably drop out if she does this. I explained this to Jennifer many many times, but she refuses to listen.
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How about sessionshq.com? Thats available and doesn't sound too corny. HQ is sort of trendy right now.
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that's a bit much. it's already been a grind to schedule sessions the past couple years, so many people already have their own sites and advertise on twit***. will they lose money long-term if the new site doesn't get cleaned up a bit? sure. I seriously doubt 2 days of the site being weird is catastrophic though. they wouldn't be constantly retweeting their travel schedule "book a session NOW!" if the website had been bringing them enough business in the first place.
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that's a bit much. it's already been a grind to schedule sessions the past couple years, so many people already have their own sites and advertise on twit***. will they lose money long-term if the new site doesn't get cleaned up a bit? sure. I seriously doubt 2 days of the site being weird is catastrophic though. they wouldn't be constantly retweeting their travel schedule "book a session NOW!" if the website had been bringing them enough business in the first place.
Not really following this... Steve is talking about permanent changes that Jennifer is making to the site such as requiring all girls to pay for listings and removing the moderation (e.g. photo verification). There are also some aspects of the new site that will probably get cleaned up (e.g. showing pictures of guys on public pages).
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that's a bit much. it's already been a grind to schedule sessions the past couple years, so many people already have their own sites and advertise on twit***. will they lose money long-term if the new site doesn't get cleaned up a bit? sure. I seriously doubt 2 days of the site being weird is catastrophic though. they wouldn't be constantly retweeting their travel schedule "book a session NOW!" if the website had been bringing them enough business in the first place.
Not really following this... Steve is talking about permanent changes that Jennifer is making to the site such as requiring all girls to pay for listings and removing the moderation (e.g. photo verification). There are also some aspects of the new site that will probably get cleaned up (e.g. showing pictures of guys on public pages).
No, I am referring to "If she had given me time to assist in the changeover, it wouldn't have to be so disruptive to everyone. So now girl profiles are now not showing, guys can't get their sessions done, and money is not being made by the sessiongirls." Like I said, if things don't get fixed, of course it hurts them in the long run (higher fees etc). Things will be fine in the coming days. It's pretty obvious he would just continue to whine about not getting his 50% if Jennifer had warned him.
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Dont trust Steve
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I'm curious. This Jennifer that you are all speaking of, is she a sessionist herself or just some girl who thought a session site was a good idea?
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Are you the asshole that called my phone and threatened me for telling off some stupid problematic girl off girl off that lasted like a week or two on the site
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I read OP's post more than once and I'm still a little confused. I don't know if I'm the only one.
Right now, when i go to https://sessiongirls.com/, whose site am I going to? Is it Steve's site or Jennifer's?
I assume it was Jennifer's because a couple posts later Steve was taking a poll on names for his new site.
I agree, it is confusing! It's weird too about airing the business disputes. I'm not sure what to make of this.
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Are you the asshole that called my phone and threatened me for telling off some stupid problematic girl off girl off that lasted like a week or two on the site
Yes, this guy has also misrepresented himself as Jen herself in Sessiongirl complaints email responses various times. This guy supposed truths are not to be trusted at all.
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Complaining about a business partner's lack of professionalism while airing your dirty laundry publicly isn't making the statement I think you're hoping it would make. You might be right, I have no idea, but you're not doing your own credibility any favors here.
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Here's a little sample of what the real OP is truly like. He's hijacked the Sessiongirl site.
(https://cdn-thumbs.imagevenue.com/36/eb/55/ME14BC80_t.jpg) (https://www.imagevenue.com/ME14BC80) (https://cdn-thumbs.imagevenue.com/49/a0/74/ME14BC81_t.jpg) (https://www.imagevenue.com/ME14BC81) (https://cdn-thumbs.imagevenue.com/c1/01/ad/ME14BC83_t.jpg) (https://www.imagevenue.com/ME14BC83) (https://cdn-thumbs.imagevenue.com/94/7b/b4/ME14BC85_t.jpg) (https://www.imagevenue.com/ME14BC85)
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:::huddling on sofa with laptop, popcorn, blanket, and vodka:::
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What site is being updated?
The new Sessiongirls version is a mess and probably costing the SG's session bookings, with all it's bugs.
The search session tours by state is showing who lives in each state. Profiles are missing a lot of info.
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Well to be fair, that Maxine Striker lady did deserve to be called out.
As I remember it, she cancelled somebody's appointment because she arbitrarily sent him a message to confirm the appointment like 2 hrs ahead and he didn't respond back in time. They had already confirmed it the day before but then she all of a sudden made up the rule that she needed another confirmation 2 hrs ahead. She canceled the session and kept the deposit.
The guy went to SG and wrote a review stating what happened. Then she threatened to expose the guy's name online if he wouldn't take down the review. She basically tried extorting the guy.
So yeah, I would say she's kind of a cunt if thats indeed what happened.
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I guess this really speaks to the type of person that Steve really is. His customer service skills are shall we say..."somewhat lacking" :angry:!!!!
Hope everything gets resolved soon as it is "truly" the session ladies who are suffering the most...both financially and I'm sure "emotionally"...
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sickwithit,
> I'm curious. This Jennifer that you are all speaking of, is she a sessionist herself or just some girl who thought a session site was a good idea?
jennifer is this sessiongirl and she's the girl that started the site in 2011 or so. It is this:
https://sessionsafe.org/jennifer%20thomas/profile
I came on board in 2014 when her last business partner left. Jen offered me what she offered her - 50% of the site in exchange for coding, moderating, and financing the site, which I thought was a fair deal at the time. My complaint is that Jennifer later went back on her word and gave me 0% of the site when she actually formed the company.
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liftcarryfan1,
> Are you the asshole that called my phone and threatened me for telling off some stupid problematic girl off girl off that lasted like a week or two on the site
No, that was not me.
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Female wrestling fans,
SessionGirls.com is now pointing to a new website. The "old" version
of sessiongirls.com can be accessed here:
https://sessionsafe.org/
Right now, it still says "sessiongirls.com", but I will change things
when time progresses. The website will be morphed into something
completely different, probably handling moderation issues that
Jennifer does not want to deal with. It will handle timewaters, a
reputation-based web-of-trust system so girls know who the safe guys
are, a smart-contract system to handle session deposits, stuff like
that. SessionGirls.com will remain primarily a sessiongirl directory
service, as it always has. The two website focuses will diverge as time
progresses.
Issues regarding moderation can be directed to either site. If the new
sessiongirls.com site does not handle the moderation issue, chances
are sessionsafe.org will.
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liftcarryfan1,
> Are you the asshole that called my phone and threatened me for telling off some stupid problematic girl off girl off that lasted like a week or two on the site
No, that was not me.
You damn well know that was you who did it.
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liftcarryfan1,
> Are you the asshole that called my phone and threatened me for telling off some stupid problematic girl off girl off that lasted like a week or two on the site
No, that was not me.
You damn well know that was you who did it.
:::getting more popcorn & vodka:::
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Not like liftcarryfan to post before he engages brain. Much.
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Wait so is there going to be a public page with photos of session seeking males? That would be a non-starter lol.
Also, half the girls are missing. Perhaps that’s because they don’t want to pay. That would seriously limit girls from testing the waters if they are on the fence. Why not just charge them to be featured?
Can you say, "wb270.com"?? ;)
Yes!
I'll say it many times!
Let's see:
-WB270 has been around for ages
-He does everything for free, as a contribution to the women & fans, without any ulterior motives and without expecting aything in return.
-No matter how many years old the website is by now, the simplicity of it works very well for clients: you can easily check what's going on near you, with a few clicks, without having to type in a search bar, etc.
-for the women, it might be inconvenient that they can't add dates & pictures themselves.
-on the other hand this does prevent women from posting dates too early, without being serious about going there.
-on average the WB270 clients seem to be more serious than SG-clients; there is of course a huge overlap and you don't always know whether somebody saw a trip on WB270 or on SG, but it is something I have heard for many years by now.
So always keep checking WB270!
-Squeezemebaby
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Suppose WB270 is totally not capable anymore.
Imagine that.
At this moment, WB270 is still better than SG, where those same "girls" are listed as well, where many totally uncapable women are listed, etc.
Think about that.
The key is in "he does it without expecting anything in return"
-Squeezemebaby
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I hope that there is someone that can take over for Bill who will be fair to all parties.
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Unfortunately, those of us who realize what a "jewel" Bill has been and have appreciated what he has done for us all these years probably don't have the knowledge or technical "know how" to succeed him. But the best to Bill and if he's able to read this...Thank You For YOUR Service :bravo:
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Is the list perfect? Nope . . . but it hits all the important targets. WB belongs in the Schmoe HOF.
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Bill has provided free access to his website since I began to do sessions, and WB270 has been a crucial free resource to those of us who have used it.
Jennifer created Sessiongirls and she has also been unique and irreplaceable as a support to session providers and those of us who do sessions. The amount of time she has donated in website creation and dispute resolution is impossible to estimate.
These two individuals have made our pursuing our interests easier. Anyone who denigrates them is not worth our time.
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I never had a single dealing with Bill so really cannot say anything about him except I been going to wb270 since 1999. That is pretty darn impressive. Meanwhile I had two sessions with Jennifer and i put up her right at the top in terms of professionalism. All my interactions with her (emails, phone calls and our two sessions) were nothing but pleasant and again nothing but professional the entire time. I really not sure to take all of this especially since I never saw either site as a way to make a significant amount of money. Just to me my dealings with Jen have always been great and this does not change my mind on that.
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Unfortunately, those of us who realize what a "jewel" Bill has been and have appreciated what he has done for us all these years probably don't have the knowledge or technical "know how" to succeed him. But the best to Bill and if he's able to read this...Thank You For YOUR Service :bravo:
Many people can do this. It's not about the know how that muchh.
I It's about willing to do it without expecting anything in return.
And it's about having the time for that.
I would love to do it, for instance, but I can't really judge yet whether I would have the time for it.
Then it would need some programming, by creating databases, to make adding the tours of the ladies easy without it costing too much time.
I do feel it's important that the WB270 continues, with all the history, simplicity in design & use and I would love to contribute to that an way I can.
-Squeezemebaby
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Note that there are some great girls that are only on WB270.
A lot are on both and more are on SG, where they can supply more info and change it often.
The #1 feature on SG is the ability to see who is Touring a Certain State. It Is Missing From the New SG!
The #2 feature is the Recent Updates. It is also missing on the new SG.
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I have valued wb270 since I first started using it in 1999; it's been a wonderful resource, for me at least.
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At the end of the day my wish list for a site would be:
- Limits fake/escort profiles
- Allows them to update the touring/pictures
- Timely reviews. Bonus if the girls could see reviews on the client for safety
- Ability to "subscribe" to travel by model or even city. I really enjoyed that so far.
Ive done websites before with dedicated servers so curious if the fee the girls get charged is just to discourage fakes.
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The recent updates was good- but the listing by state was the best - I could just go to NY- NJ- PA to see who was coming my way- now have to sort through each one to find out
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wb270 great - except not everyone listed there- though most and sometimes not updated - but have to admit updated pretty frequently so not really a big complaint
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Here is some interesting emails that shows conflicting information from Steve from the newsletters he has sent and his post on this forum
He is on a smear campaign because Jennifer regained control of her website , that's all there is to it.
Why would he send her money if she owed him money ..? Makes no sense
From: SessionGirls Admin - Steve <admin@sessiongirls.com>
Date: Thu, Jun 10, 2021 at 3:02 AM
Subject: investors
About "investors". Always run things by me before you accept any
investor offer, as I can probably give more agreeable terms. I know how
these guys operate, and they use a lot of trickery. You seem kinda naive
to me, so I am not sure if you know this. Don't trust them. And don't
let them "own" the bank account.
I will pay the associated costs of running the shows. Jen can remain
independent, and not have to answer to anyone. This is the best method.
- Steve
From: SessionGirls Admin - Steve <admin@sessiongirls.com>
Date: Sat, Jan 9, 2021 at 9:35 AM
Subject: Cash deposited
Ok, I just deposited $4000 in the "Kharma club" bank account. This is
basically me "sponsoring the girls" so we can maintain network effects
for sessiongirls. ie: if too many girls drop out, the site becomes less
usable from a male's point of view. The $4000 will also allow jennifer
to cover her living expenses as well as to make operational expenses for
sessiongirls.
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Here is some interesting emails that shows conflicting information from Steve from the newsletters he has sent and his post on this forum
He is on a smear campaign because Jennifer regained control of her website , that's all there is to it.
Why would he send her money if she owed him money ..? Makes no sense
From: SessionGirls Admin - Steve <admin@sessiongirls.com>
Date: Thu, Jun 10, 2021 at 3:02 AM
Subject: investors
About "investors". Always run things by me before you accept any
investor offer, as I can probably give more agreeable terms. I know how
these guys operate, and they use a lot of trickery. You seem kinda naive
to me, so I am not sure if you know this. Don't trust them. And don't
let them "own" the bank account.
I will pay the associated costs of running the shows. Jen can remain
independent, and not have to answer to anyone. This is the best method.
- Steve
From: SessionGirls Admin - Steve <admin@sessiongirls.com>
Date: Sat, Jan 9, 2021 at 9:35 AM
Subject: Cash deposited
Ok, I just deposited $4000 in the "Kharma club" bank account. This is
basically me "sponsoring the girls" so we can maintain network effects
for sessiongirls. ie: if too many girls drop out, the site becomes less
usable from a male's point of view. The $4000 will also allow jennifer
to cover her living expenses as well as to make operational expenses for
sessiongirls.
These're just copy paste texts newbie, don't prove anything. You can edit and write whatever you want. Such as;
From: SessionGirls Admin - Steve <admin@sessiongirls.com>
Date: Thu, Jul 15, 2021 at 5:02 AM
Subject: Funny Quotes That Will Make You LOL!
Insomnia sharpens your math skills because you spend all night calculating how much
sleep you’ll get if you’re able to ‘fall asleep right now.
- Steve
So, can you post actual emails? Original. Otherwise we may think that you're a spammer.
If you can, how do you access these emails? Did Jennifer ask you to do this?
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Not like liftcarryfan to post before he engages brain. Much.
Idk, a random guy calls me from sessiongirls threatening me because I dissed some BOT who opened up a profile who advertised 20 things and didn’t do 19 of them and questioned why she was even on the site to begin with. I mean I been sessioning since 2005z I may know a thing or two perhaps about this world so I know how to spot a fake usually.
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Here is some interesting emails that shows conflicting information from Steve from the newsletters he has sent and his post on this forum
He is on a smear campaign because Jennifer regained control of her website , that's all there is to it.
Why would he send her money if she owed him money ..? Makes no sense
From: SessionGirls Admin - Steve <admin@sessiongirls.com>
Date: Thu, Jun 10, 2021 at 3:02 AM
Subject: investors
About "investors". Always run things by me before you accept any
investor offer, as I can probably give more agreeable terms. I know how
these guys operate, and they use a lot of trickery. You seem kinda naive
to me, so I am not sure if you know this. Don't trust them. And don't
let them "own" the bank account.
I will pay the associated costs of running the shows. Jen can remain
independent, and not have to answer to anyone. This is the best method.
- Steve
From: SessionGirls Admin - Steve <admin@sessiongirls.com>
Date: Sat, Jan 9, 2021 at 9:35 AM
Subject: Cash deposited
Ok, I just deposited $4000 in the "Kharma club" bank account. This is
basically me "sponsoring the girls" so we can maintain network effects
for sessiongirls. ie: if too many girls drop out, the site becomes less
usable from a male's point of view. The $4000 will also allow jennifer
to cover her living expenses as well as to make operational expenses for
sessiongirls.
These're just copy paste texts newbie, don't prove anything. You can edit and write whatever you want. Such as;
From: SessionGirls Admin - Steve <admin@sessiongirls.com>
Date: Thu, Jul 15, 2021 at 5:02 AM
Subject: Funny Quotes That Will Make You LOL!
Insomnia sharpens your math skills because you spend all night calculating how much
sleep you’ll get if you’re able to ‘fall asleep right now.
- Steve
So, can you post actual emails? Original. Otherwise we may think that you're a spammer.
If you can, how do you access these emails? Did Jennifer ask you to do this?
Here is link with Screenshot of the emails.
(https://thumbs4.imagebam.com/ff/4d/e7/ME6KGLE_t.jpg) (https://www.imagebam.com/view/ME6KGLE)
I am posting here on Jennifer's behalf. She is still waiting for approval by Saradas Admin
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Maybe it's just time for the Saradas moderators to send this whole thread to the proverbial "woodshed" and let's just move on :bravo: It's run it's course!!!!
Jennifer needs her "space" to move forward and Steve needs his "space" so he can go his way so he can continue to "sulk" :angry: For those of you who remember Seargent Preston of the Yukon, his famous line was..."Well, King (his dog), this case is closed...you buy the next one" :clap:
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Maybe it's just time for the Saradas moderators to send this whole thread to the proverbial "woodshed" and let's just move on :bravo: It's run it's course!!!!
Jennifer needs her "space" to move forward and Steve needs his "space" so he can go his way so he can continue to "sulk" :angry: For those of you who remember Seargent Preston of the Yukon, his famous line was..."Well, King (his dog), this case is closed...you buy the next one" :clap:
I AGREE!!!!
(All issues will the Sessiongirls website will be fixed as quickly as possible.)
XOXO
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thanks, Jennifer!
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I AGREE!!!!
(All issues will the Sessiongirls website will be fixed as quickly as possible.)
XOXO
For the record besides booking with her itself Jennifer has handled several issues which came up for me in the past few years in a fine way. There's only so much she should be expected to do in certain cases.
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Here is link with Screenshot of the emails.
(https://thumbs4.imagebam.com/ff/4d/e7/ME6KGLE_t.jpg) (https://www.imagebam.com/view/ME6KGLE)
I am posting here on Jennifer's behalf. She is still waiting for approval by Saradas Admin
I'm slightly confused on what the email proves against steve.
Jennifer stated in a podcast she never paid him as she tried to offer but he refused.
He brought up never being paid as a backing on his perceived 50 50 partnership
Now we see not only is covering server expenses but also covering Jen's living expense for a site he doesn't own? :what:
I'm confused, I might just be too slow but how is Steve the bad guy here? I would say covering your expense so you don't make a rash decision is something
a partner does. Hopefully he got back his 4000 cause that is a lot of money.
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Here is link with Screenshot of the emails.
(https://thumbs4.imagebam.com/ff/4d/e7/ME6KGLE_t.jpg) (https://www.imagebam.com/view/ME6KGLE)
I am posting here on Jennifer's behalf. She is still waiting for approval by Saradas Admin
I'm slightly confused on what the email proves against steve.
Jennifer stated in a podcast she never paid him as she tried to offer but he refused.
He brought up never being paid as a backing on his perceived 50 50 partnership
Now we see not only is covering server expenses but also covering Jen's living expense for a site he doesn't own? :what:
I'm confused, I might just be too slow but how is Steve the bad guy here? I would say covering your expense so you don't make a rash decision is something
a partner does. Hopefully he got back his 4000 cause that is a lot of money.
Steve wanted the site to be free , I didn't . He said that offering free profiles would prevent girls who were prostitutes /Trashy from coming onto the site.
I said No. that it was just the opposite. He said he would pay $4,000 for the lost income that I would of been generating . My point is , why would he offer me money
when I owed him money. ??? He claims he got 'screwed" yet he is offering to pay me.. which I did accept to help pay for the re creation of the new site. . Like i mentioned in the podcast , this isn't about Money.. It's About Control
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Oh okay, I'm with you it's not about money and not being paid but ownership.
Only reason money was brought up is because he felt screwed out of ownership. It is fair to say in working with you he acted as a partner as you never paid him. He also did put enough skin and sacrifices to also expect so to be fair.
From the email he did deposit 4000. So he was clearly working under that paradigm.
Now this might be obvious to everyone but this is the head banger for me.
You believed he wasn't a partner or had any stake yet you:
-Let him pay for servers and database monthly
-Didn't offer him any monthly compensation until later
-Allowed him to put to make deposit and investments
and from what has been said and spread about him there was no illusion that it was because "Oh he is just a nice guy"
We can chuck this up to a bad business deal but I do understand the vitriol, especially if the 4000 was accepted when you fully understood at that point he believed he was an equal partner.
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Per the screenshots...I will never in a million years understand how people keep 1000+ messages in their inbox. That's some real psychopath shit right there.
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Maybe it's just time for the Saradas moderators to send this whole thread to the proverbial "woodshed" and let's just move on :bravo: It's run it's course!!!!
Jennifer needs her "space" to move forward and Steve needs his "space" so he can go his way so he can continue to "sulk" :angry: For those of you who remember Seargent Preston of the Yukon, his famous line was..."Well, King (his dog), this case is closed...you buy the next one" :clap:
Get out of it! I could read this for months yet. Rather this than another puerile "which sessionette could crush your skull" sort of thread ;)
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Taking the money is really bad form. All-around bad idea. No denying that. He is a control freak, I'm sure she knew he was a control freak. But him giving her money is not going to entitle him to ownership. He's just not going to win that in court. At most he could sue for damages (the money he gave)... but even then he'll lose because he gave that money knowing he never signed a contract giving him 50%. Even if they went a legal route, arbitration for example is *really* expensive. We might be talking $500-1000/hour or more. And even if he had partial ownership, what would that give him other than a say in direction of the website? This isn't a company that's going to IPO and turn shareholders into millionaires. (Look at LFC, which did go public, and look at how its stock has done.)
None of this makes any sense if it's about anything other than control. Why not just take all those thousands he poured in and session with Jennifer or anyone else monthly, or even weekly, for a very long time?
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This isn’t going to court. We simply have 2 parties acting like poor business partners towards each other. One seems to be receiving money in bad-faith. The other is offering money (probably) in bad-faith. Both are blasting each other on Twitter and on here and sharing private messages as if they’re a smoking gun or that this is making them look better.
If is pretty entertaining to watch, but I’d rather move on to discussing what the next set of features will be for sessiongirls.com should be to improve the community and get more girls to participate. I doubt the sessionsafe site is going to be a thing - there’s no clear value for either side right now and the girls are all on sessiongirls.
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Taking the money is really bad form. All-around bad idea. No denying that. He is a control freak, I'm sure she knew he was a control freak. But him giving her money is not going to entitle him to ownership. He's just not going to win that in court. At most he could sue for damages (the money he gave)... but even then he'll lose because he gave that money knowing he never signed a contract giving him 50%. Even if they went a legal route, arbitration for example is *really* expensive. We might be talking $500-1000/hour or more. And even if he had partial ownership, what would that give him other than a say in direction of the website? This isn't a company that's going to IPO and turn shareholders into millionaires. (Look at LFC, which did go public, and look at how its stock has done.)
None of this makes any sense if it's about anything other than control. Why not just take all those thousands he poured in and session with Jennifer or anyone else monthly, or even weekly, for a very long time?
So I do agree without paper signature there is no way he can win in court. I just can see why he would be pissed and feel used as they both where aware what it was.
I had something similar happen to me as a friend of mine came to me struggling with a clothing company and I liked her women sport attire.
So I jumped in to partner with her, Gave her 5,000 to help with production and connected her with my friend chined production company
Built a site for her to manage orders and show inventory as well integrated with saleforce and covered monthly cost
Gave her my Camera equipment and spare cars to use in photo shoots and pop ups
Used my house as an office.
it picked up steam after about a year reaching 25,000 follower on insta and averaging 50 - 60 orders a day now
Once it started to pick up she started saying I should have opinions and that she wants it to be about women empowerment so I can't be a partner :what:
I was so pissed so obviously I shut down everything and left her with IG.
She Later came back and we patched it up and made the company legal and partnered up.
So Why couldn't I invest in my own:
She is a people person and good with IG, I'm more of an introvert. Also she is the creative
Why did I feel entitled:
Because I was very key to the success and Invested a lot of time. It was a slap in the face to tell me women empowerment when she has rich female friends but none saw potential.
If we had gone to court I have no doubt she would have won as the product is her name.
I see some parallel with my situation and theirs so I'm empathetic but at the same time there was a lot of red flags he chose to ignore.
I'm a big fan of the Succession TV series that involves a lot of cut throat business manoeuvres, so when a boss move like what Jen executed is carried out :cool2: but don't play innocent.
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With all this drama, sessiongirls didn't "fork," it stuck a fork in an electrical outlet.
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LOL, yep.
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This is highly disruptive lol.
At the moment, sessiongirls has no "recent updates" section so you have no idea if anyone is updating travel plans. If it's true that Jennifer doesn't pay on time then it will be hard to get traction on fixing these as Devs will just churn.
Despite the misunderstanding on the ownership, Steve was carrying the project.
Sessionsafe otoh, still has a lot of links to SG that should be internal and I'm guessing no one is using it cause it's a new domain.
It will take a lot of time to establish if ever. I remember that Anat also had a falling with Jennifer and decided to quit SG and start her own listing.
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I agree that without the Recent Updates it's harder to scan to see who is traveling where. You can search for your city, but that isn't as effective.
Hopefully they bring this back soon or I'd imagine we could see a dip in new travel being posted.
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Is Steve’s site - polar something? Being updated - it looks like it is and has the listings by state just like before- the problem is remembering the site name- but if you copy it somewhere it works- sessiongirls right now is terrible- I know they have the don’t panic beta message up- but seems like there is a lot of work that needs to be done
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This is highly disruptive lol.
At the moment, sessiongirls has no "recent updates" section so you have no idea if anyone is updating travel plans. If it's true that Jennifer doesn't pay on time then it will be hard to get traction on fixing these as Devs will just churn.
Despite the misunderstanding on the ownership, Steve was carrying the project.
Sessionsafe otoh, still has a lot of links to SG that should be internal and I'm guessing no one is using it cause it's a new domain.
It will take a lot of time to establish if ever. I remember that Anat also had a falling with Jennifer and decided to quit SG and start her own listing.
Someone mentioned the Anat list to me once, but then I never heard about it again. Is it a thing?
My biggest concern was that session providers still have a viable place to advertise. A high % of the guys who do sessions are dedicated and figure out ways to find their favorites and new prospects. There are, for example, a few I've come across by chance on twit***, even though they were not listed on any of the sites I "knew", e.g. SessionGirls, wb270, etc. And right now, even though they're under construction, the reliable sessiongirls.com is working for me and I was just introduced to "Bella Rockafella". I hope Jennifer is as happy as I am.
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Maybe y'all live in crazy busy places for session activity but when I click on 'USA girls' and select my state there's only a handful that pop up (which is accurate), and I've never relied on the 'recent updates' section because while there are travel plans and such in there, there's a lot more of 'new review' and 'new photo' announcements to wade through than anything else.
Point being, if you check the site regularly (as I suspect most of us do) you can see things changing and updating on an almost daily basis. Right after the split it was a shit show of broken features, but now it's largely back to being as functional as it was before - I was worried it would take ages to get there, if it ever happened at all.
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Advantages of the Recent Updates tab for the guys include:
- Being able to see which girls are traveling in general (maybe you can visit them on their travels)
- Being able to see which girls are updating their photos, profile etc (this means they're active, open to possibly visiting you, you can reach out with a nice email and be patient which works well)
- Being able to see if a new review is posted about a girl you're seeing or thinking of seeing
The tab also makes it easier for girls to show they're active and build out a pipeline of interest for cities they're considering, etc
In general, the more interested guys will likely be able to use the current site to make it work for them but its definitely a step down until they get back to feature parity with the previous site. Given the 'beta' tag, I assume they're working on this.
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I would love the ability to subscribe to travel alerts like the old site. A huge plus would be to be able to subscribe to a city and not the travel schedule of any possible visitor.
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probably better to have it done by state or country (outside of US) just because many will misspell a city. Pocahontas has listed travel to "Tuscon" for example. Or Tyler Dare is visiting San Rafael, and not San Francisco (not a typo, but no one would subscribe to San Francisco, Oakland, San Jose, Mountain View, and every other town in the area). Because of that, I used to subscribe to "all travels" for a few girls I was interested in. in some cases, I might even be willing to drive to a different state.
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The Recent Updates also had new girls signing up.
Current profiles lost useful info, like How long a Member and all the various links the girls had.
We need that info when researching a girl we haven't met.
For traveling to a state, we need the drop down menu to picks states. Some live in a area where we monitor several states
near us or near where we travel to.
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so what is the old site now cuz the current one sucks and sessionsafe isn't working
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I like the new version of sg more already, simply because now I can see the real uploaded photos instead of postage stamps. Some things are clunky but for me it's functional enough.
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I like the new version of sg more already, simply because now I can see the real uploaded photos instead of postage stamps. Some things are clunky but for me it's functional enough.
Comes down to preference cu I loved the updates especially when new pix or reviews were posted and also easier to know who’s coming to my state, neighbor state, or former state…
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I like the new version of sg more already, simply because now I can see the real uploaded photos instead of postage stamps. Some things are clunky but for me it's functional enough.
Comes down to preference cu I loved the updates especially when new pix or reviews were posted and also easier to know who’s coming to my state, neighbor state, or former state…
It's a bit clunky like I said but for travel the search seems to be working well enough. I do hope she gets a better page to show profile updates going, that was nice to have, maybe just put all updates in the rss feed instead of just having new profiles there.
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It doesn't really come down to preference anymore. Most of the girls are using the new site. Even if the old one were still up, it would be of limited use without travel posted.
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Agreed, it’s not preference. The new site has replaced
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The new site has replaced the old site but until they add the Recent Updates feature back (which is coming soon) it’s harder to scan.
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We are also missing the "follow travels" option and the girls profiles don't have a list of their social links like before.
The links are valuable when researching a girl.
The "Member Since" + age options were also helpful.
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I mean preference as in what MY preference of the look of the new website. Not anything else.
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Looks like pages are logging updates properly now, it doesn't just show the current date.
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Someone should let them know that Washington DC exists...and isn't a subset of Washington State
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Someone should let them know that Washington DC exists...and isn't a subset of Washington State
This.
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It's good that Recent Updates is now working.
- The font should be smaller, to see more per page.
- Some profile photos are not showing in the update.
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New site seems to be working well now. Check it out if you haven't seen it in a while. It's meeting my needs.
I do miss the drama though... where's the scrappin'? This ain't no fork... more like a butter knife!
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Website still needs a lot of work
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that wasn't very dramatic
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Whatever fork there was, Jennifer won which I think was pretty obvious since it began.
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Steve, former SessionGirls.com moderator, is having a AMA (Ask Me
Anything) on ***** right now, for those that are interested:
https://www.*****.com/r/Sessionwrestling/comments/t4cblj/steve_former_moderator_of_sessiongirlscom_is/
Posted byu/session_safe_steve
22 hours ago
Steve (former moderator of SessionGirls.com) is doing an AMA
SessionGirls Fans,
As you may have noticed, the SessionGirls.com website has changed. You may notice a change in the moderation policies as well. This is because the guy was moderating the site, Steve, is no longer moderating it. I suspect customer service will worsen and fraud will increase significantly.
I am therefore thinking about creating a companion website, sessionsafe.org, to handle moderation issues. I am not sure what the feature set will be, but we will include guy/girl verification, checks for fraud, a scammers section, stuff like that. Maybe a smart contract system for handling session deposits, who knows. However, I would like to get the input from the sessioning community regarding the matter, as well as input regarding the recent SessionGirls changeover. And how everyone feels about the direction of the sessioning industry.
I am also willing to do an "AMA" (Ask Me Anything), since I'm the guy that has been moderating SessionGirls since 2014. I am doing this partially for industry feedback, but partially for clearing up some common misconceptions about the dispute between me and Jennifer regarding the SessionGirls site change, as Jennifer's side of the story is basically false. My side cannot be summed up in a simple twit*** message, but I stated it in prose here:
https://pastebin.com/YXbheare
Please read THE WHOLE POST before commenting. Any questions that are already clearly covered in the above post above will be ignored (and please downvote!), as I hate repeating myself. Unfair personal attacks, rude comments, and stuff like that will also be ignored (please downvote). Polite and fair questions will be answered though.
- Steve
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I am writing this to ward off some of the misinformation that's been
floating around social media, as misinformation spreads quickly.
Misinformation defined as: "partial information", "information devoid
of context", "one-sided information", "emotional information". Or
"thoughts that cannot be communicated in a simple 'tweet'".
I realize this won't change anyone's mind, as your mind has already
been set. But whatever, I thought I would put it out there anyway.
This is Steve's side of things:
In 2014, Jennifer needed someone to do the SessionGirls programming
but could not afford to pay an actual programmer. We talked about it,
and Jen and I agreed for me to program and administrate the site in
exchange for 50% equity of the site. This is a very standard
arrangement in the programming world. I very stupidly did not get this
in writing.
So I spent the next 7 years doing exactly that. I wrote the software,
moderated the site, and paid all the expenses. I have monthly hosting
receipts and general expenses dating back to 2014 proving my claim.
(Jennifer now claims this was "voluntary").
However, come 2020, Jennifer did not give me the promised equity. She
legally formed the company and left me out as a 50% owner. Worse, I am
now stuck with excess of $30,000 on SessionGirls bills that I'm
probably never going to get back. I also have thousands of man-hours
of work that I personally put in this project that I can no longer
take back. So I basically got 0% of the site, and will only receive
back pay as an "general contractor". One that she is "late paying".
All under the advice of her "attorney". I have little legal recourse
either because it's basically "he said/she said" situation.
I'm also getting random people giving me this notion that I am somehow
trying to 'steal the site'. I don't know where people are getting
this. No one is trying to 'steal' anything. I've always had the
password because, well, I'm the the programmer. Jen needed me to
program something, so I set up the account at heroku back in 2014. I
just set it up the account on my personal email account because my
admin@sessiongirls.com was not set up back then. There was no "grand
plan" or anything, it was always that way, basically. And I have
always have been very open with Jennifer regarding passwords. She
always had the list of passwords, I gave it to her.
Anyway, in 2019 Jen wakes up one day and decides to change all the
passwords to everything, including my admin email and play dumb as to
what was going on. I was baffled, thinking a hacker somehow broke in.
A week later, Jennifer admitted it was SHE was the one that changed
the passwords. I refused to speak to her for months.
Fortunately, Jennifer could not figure out the 2-factor code for the
main website, so i was able to change the password before she could.
And, as for not giving her the password after that, well the reason is
that I am afraid shes going to change it back again so I can't access
it. As an unpaid author of the software for the past 7 years, I feel
that I should get some rights. And one of them is to edit my code as I
see fit, as I am the guy the wrote it. That is not negotiable.
I would also like to add that I follow Jennifer's instructions running
the site, with very few exceptions. And those "exceptions" are obvious
common sense stuff like legality issues, financial protection issues
(insurance!), and obvious unethical practices that 99% of people
wouldn't disagree with. If there is a difference of opinion on that
particular subject matter, we can simply visit our counselor and agree
to do whatever the counselor recommends. But Jennifer refuses to go,
and believe me I begged.
And my preferred order of handling disputes are:
1) Counselor
2) Mediator
3) Arbitrator
4) Court
When presented with those options, Jen simply says "I'll see you in
court!!!" And then doesn't do anything. And it's been this way for
over a year now. My guess is I would get absolutely nothing if Jen had
her way.
My proposition is to simply ask any independent arbitrator his opinion
on the matter, and have him decide. And the whole thing can be done in a
weekend.
- - Steve
Official SessionGirls.com GPG key:
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SessionGirls Fans,
As you may have noticed, the SessionGirls.com website has changed. You may notice a change in the moderation policies as well. This is because the guy was moderating the site, Steve, is no longer moderating it. I suspect customer service will worsen and fraud will increase significantly.
I am therefore thinking about creating a companion website, sessionsafe.org, to handle moderation issues. I am not sure what the feature set will be, but we will include guy/girl verification, checks for fraud, a scammers section, stuff like that. Maybe a smart contract system for handling session deposits, who knows. However, I would like to get the input from the sessioning community regarding the matter, as well as input regarding the recent SessionGirls changeover. And how everyone feels about the direction of the sessioning industry.
I am also willing to do an "AMA" (Ask Me Anything), since I'm the guy that has been moderating SessionGirls since 2014. I am doing this partially for industry feedback, but partially for clearing up some common misconceptions about the dispute between me and Jennifer regarding the SessionGirls site change, as Jennifer's side of the story is basically false. My side cannot be summed up in a simple twit*** message, but I stated it in prose here:
https://pastebin.com/YXbheare
Please read THE WHOLE POST before commenting. Any questions that are already clearly covered in the above post above will be ignored (and please downvote!), as I hate repeating myself. Unfair personal attacks, rude comments, and stuff like that will also be ignored (please downvote). Polite and fair questions will be answered though.
The discussion will take place on *****:
https://www.*****.com/r/Sessionwrestling/comments/t4cblj/steve_former_moderator_of_sessiongirlscom_is/
You can also write to me directly at admin@sessionsafe.org if you need to speak to me directly, but ***** is encouraged for group knowledge. Please post on social media for maximum exposure.
Official SessionGirls.com GPG key:
https://github.com/sessiongirls/public_gpg/blob/master/sessiongirls-public.gpg
Fingerprint:
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She tried charging during the beginning of the Plandemic. I never paid because it was like $30 a month, sorry but I can put that towards my wifi or other bill. That entire situation, much like the industry in general has because disappointing to me. Hence why I don't attend the events much anymore. I helped her promote SG when it was first launching & now im treated like a problem.
Well, damn Cheyenne Jewel. What the fuck?!
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:what:
(https://thumbs4.imagebam.com/0b/fb/53/ME8FCY0_t.jpg) (https://www.imagebam.com/view/ME8FCY0)
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Steve, your “AMA” (if you can even call it that) was a total joke. You’ve also been banned on another popular fetish wrestling site repeatedly (also, stop referring to yourself in the third person, it’s weird.) You’re embodying some of the worst schmoe stereotypes. Just chill, dude. Focus on your site and ONLY your site, and stop trying to trash Jen.
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I'm going to call this a flawless victory for Jen which I fully expected from the beginning.
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:what:
(https://thumbs4.imagebam.com/0b/fb/53/ME8FCY0_t.jpg) (https://www.imagebam.com/view/ME8FCY0)
Jennifer do you manipulate reviews on Session Girls?
https://saradas.org/index.php?topic=391151.msg2791040#msg2791040
I tried to post a review on Session Girls about Emma Switch. The first attempt was on for a few hours before getting removed, the second one below didn't pass the approval stage:
(https://images4.imagebam.com/53/ef/fb/ME8I5GT_o.png) (https://www.imagebam.com/view/ME8I5GT)
and here is Email I sent to try to convince Jen not to cancel my review:
(https://images4.imagebam.com/f5/b0/89/ME8I68X_o.png) (https://www.imagebam.com/view/ME8I68X)
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Steve, your “AMA” (if you can even call it that) was a total joke. You’ve also been banned on another popular fetish wrestling site repeatedly (also, stop referring to yourself in the third person, it’s weird.) You’re embodying some of the worst schmoe stereotypes. Just chill, dude. Focus on your site and ONLY your site, and stop trying to trash Jen.
It's hard to figure out what his actual goal is - he says one set of things ("I just want what's best for Session girls"), but then demonstrates something completely wild and counter to what he was saying previously. He claims to have been "de-platformed", yet he has this whole message board here as well as a twit*** account and a bunch of email addresses he swiped on the way out the door. The email requested people follow him on twit***, but he's not even using that to engage with his followers.
If he really did write the entire code for the original site, why isn't he able to merely replicate what he did before?
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He wants control.
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He wants control.
He has control of his website and his twit*** account, but the market is the ultimate master. The 5 of us who have followed the drama are probably willing to check out his new site, but he seems obsessed with making sure prospective customers read and understand (and support!) "Steve's side of the story"...as if a single shit is given. Customers in the fetish sessions and video sales industries want the exact same things as customers in virtually every other space: a good product at a great price. Period, end of story. Are there some who care about him being a poor shepherd boy who overcame all odds to come a sessions platform mogul? Sure. But I can tell you from vast experience that most simply don't give a fuck.
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He wants control.
He has control of his website and his twit*** account, but the market is the ultimate master. The 5 of us who have followed the drama are probably willing to check out his new site, but he seems obsessed with making sure prospective customers read and understand (and support!) "Steve's side of the story"...as if a single shit is given. Customers in the fetish sessions and video sales industries want the exact same things as customers in virtually every other space: a good product at a great price. Period, end of story. Are there some who care about him being a poor shepherd boy who overcame all odds to come a sessions platform mogul? Sure. But I can tell you from vast experience that most simply don't give a fuck.
What, price for what? My session costs what my session costs. I rarely even do deposits at this point, due to mostly repeat sessions. Even when I send deposits, no way I'm trusting getting an amateur developer involved with a bunch of "smart contracts." Even for the girls, the price to be on Jennifer's site is relatively low, it's not worth the headache of dealing with some guy with a vendetta. I don't care what site I go to to see travel listed. I don't care if it's sessiongirls, wb270, or twit***.
He wanted control of Jennifer's site, now he's trying to win people over to his side, he wanted to run the business a certain way because he's so confident a small fee is such a barrier to entry. He paid the bills, "he" gave the girls access to list their services for free, he decided when to take down their profile (contrary to Jennifer's wishes) when she did something to some guy that he didn't like. He's no different than any of the amateur webmaster guys in this scene who have tried to control and fuck over various girls (mostly video sites), threaten legal action, whatever. It's the same story every single time. Some loser who managed to throw together an okay website or other service and use it for control. Just book your sessions, pay the girls their fee, and enjoy your life. That wasn't enough for him.
I'm sure he also wants attention. If he is going to develop the things he says he's going to, it probably won't happen for 1-2 years. These websites are extremely slow-moving. It took ages for Jennifer to find someone to make a new website, and the features on the old website were extremely slow-moving. He doesn't want to be forgotten by then.
And he was too much of a moron to see that Jennifer was trying to kick him out, even though she posted about it publicly on twit*** and her SG profile last year. Or maybe he was just arrogant enough to believe she had no chance at pulling it off and is feigning surprise.
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Why are some of the dates Day/Month/Year Updated travels : 11/03/2022 11:56:24 PM
It should be M/D/YR It is in the Travel Dates, but not when dates or reviews in Recent Updates.
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I noticed that Jennifer has been charging the girls again to subscribe so that they can get the travel and events options on their site. Travel that was entered previously was grandfathered in. I guess that's pretty reasonable, but I thought those features would stay free a little longer, since the new site seems to be a work in progress. A session lady I know is on the fence about subscribing, but the travel section is pretty important for the ladies to secure session clients.
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The session site is a work in progress, but all the guys still go to it. I do think they need to fix the thing, where if my travel is March 13 - 16, the travel disappears on March 15 during the evening USA time (i.e., March 16 midnight UTC time). No clue how many last minute sessions get booked, but that should be a 5-minute fix, and that is pivotal to what the women are paying for.
So I guess the ladies should enter in 1 day longer on the website for now and deal with the extra emails. I don't really get why people would be on the fence about signing up for $20-30 or whatever if the website is actually bringing them business. If it gets them even one session over let's say, 2 months, it's probably worth it. If the website isn't bringing them business, then sure, save the money and don't sign up. But I guess I don't know what their situation is, I have seen even top girls booking cheap crappy hotel rooms to save a few bucks, which might cost them on repeat sessions the next time they come to town. No need for anything fancy IMO, just not the cheapest thing in town.
For guys subscribing to email updates to profiles, it also sends all updates, not just travel, which is a bit spammy. If the girl logs in to add 4 new photos, you'll get 4 emails about it. One nice thing on the old website is it didn't send the updates right away, it queued them up so you'd get one email the next morning.
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Here is some interesting emails that shows conflicting information from Steve from the newsletters he has sent and his post on this forum
He is on a smear campaign because Jennifer regained control of her website , that's all there is to it.
Why would he send her money if she owed him money ..? Makes no sense
From: SessionGirls Admin - Steve <admin@sessiongirls.com>
Date: Thu, Jun 10, 2021 at 3:02 AM
Subject: investors
About "investors". Always run things by me before you accept any
investor offer, as I can probably give more agreeable terms. I know how
these guys operate, and they use a lot of trickery. You seem kinda naive
to me, so I am not sure if you know this. Don't trust them. And don't
let them "own" the bank account.
I will pay the associated costs of running the shows. Jen can remain
independent, and not have to answer to anyone. This is the best method.
- Steve
From: SessionGirls Admin - Steve <admin@sessiongirls.com>
Date: Sat, Jan 9, 2021 at 9:35 AM
Subject: Cash deposited
Ok, I just deposited $4000 in the "Kharma club" bank account. This is
basically me "sponsoring the girls" so we can maintain network effects
for sessiongirls. ie: if too many girls drop out, the site becomes less
usable from a male's point of view. The $4000 will also allow jennifer
to cover her living expenses as well as to make operational expenses for
sessiongirls.
These're just copy paste texts newbie, don't prove anything. You can edit and write whatever you want. Such as;
From: SessionGirls Admin - Steve <admin@sessiongirls.com>
Date: Thu, Jul 15, 2021 at 5:02 AM
Subject: Funny Quotes That Will Make You LOL!
Insomnia sharpens your math skills because you spend all night calculating how much
sleep you’ll get if you’re able to ‘fall asleep right now.
- Steve
So, can you post actual emails? Original. Otherwise we may think that you're a spammer.
If you can, how do you access these emails? Did Jennifer ask you to do this?
Here is link with Screenshot of the emails.
(https://thumbs4.imagebam.com/ff/4d/e7/ME6KGLE_t.jpg) (https://www.imagebam.com/view/ME6KGLE)
I am posting here on Jennifer's behalf. She is still waiting for approval by Saradas Admin
So you're the new admin of SessionGirls and you share Steve's emails because Jennifer Thomas asked you to do this?
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Good lord Steve sounds like a piece of work.
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I’m surprised at the site for having a male session section. It’s a turn off for me.
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I've heard from session girls personally that they were losing money on the new site (no, not supporting steve, he sucks), probably because travel notification emails don't work. So this is a money grab in the name of increasing sessions I guess, I suppose they believe girls are going to use it to find guys when they travel. There are only about 10 male profiles anyway, unless a lot have signed up privately. Also a data spill disaster waiting to happen.
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I am signed up for travel notifications for several SessionGirls and never had an issue about being notified of an update with their travel.
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So this is a money grab in the name of increasing sessions I guess, I suppose they believe girls are going to use it to find guys when they travel. There are only about 10 male profiles anyway, unless a lot have signed up privately. Also a data spill disaster waiting to happen.
I don’t understand what part of SessionGirls is the “money grab”. Is it the male profiles or the female profiles, and specifically which part of the profile?
I do know there are more private male profiles than public profiles from a SessionGirl I know.
Why is SessionGirls a data spill disaster waiting to happen? I am a “non technical” person but how is SessionGirls more open to a data breach than any other website?
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I don’t understand what part of SessionGirls is the “money grab”. Is it the male profiles or the female profiles, and specifically which part of the profile?
I do know there are more private male profiles than public profiles from a SessionGirl I know.
Why is SessionGirls a data spill disaster waiting to happen? I am a “non technical” person but how is SessionGirls more open to a data breach than any other website?
As far as I'm aware, they're charging guys $5/month or something to join (optional of course). No, it's not a lot of money, just a way to grab some extra revenue and not fix the main problems on the site. Just feels like a business without focus trying to move on to the next thing way too soon instead of finishing anything. Anecdotally I've noticed way more session girls repeatedly advertise their tours on twit*** than before 2022, so I think the site development has something to do with it. Of course the crashing economy may also be playing its part.
It's a data spill disaster waiting to happen because Jennifer hired an amateur developer (offshore labor etc.) because they're cheaper. People who are cheaper rarely have the experience to know the right way to do a lot of things. For a simple page like just girls advertising publicly, this isn't the end of the world, but it really matters once data security becomes important. When they launched the male profiles, you could see some pics of "male private" profiles on the main page, and even after it was fixed, you could still see the pics if you had the URLs. Add in standard risks of social engineering (befriend a session girl, get her to show you private info). This risk is actually pretty real. Some session girls have showed me texts from other guys, showed me their schedule, told me about some other clients including names etc. which I never even asked for. Sometimes they get emotional or excited in the moment and reveal certain things they shouldn't. In short, you should assume your data and images are actually public if signing up for the private section on there.
Big businesses can still be hacked of course, but typically they'll go through internal security reviews for any new feature launch, and this process takes several months. And when there are breaches, there are typically "post-mortem reviews" or something similar where you write reports on what happened in great detail and set forth mechanisms to prevent it from happening again. This can also take months to put together. I'd be shocked if either process happened with the folks at SG.
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I’m surprised at the site for having a male session section. It’s a turn off for me.
Says more about you.
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I’m surprised at the site for having a male session section. It’s a turn off for me.
the premise is to list guys like us who do sessions and/or content as way for ladies to screen potential clients or to get guys to do content with… the way it was implemented on the site make it look like a gay 4 pay type section.
besides imo guys who are heavily active on the scene don’t need to list themselves. Looking at all the public profiles and I just smh and it great example of why thanks to other guys on the scene doing weird shit.. I have been very lucky in the sessions/video content scene with many ladies.
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Yeah at first I was puzzled by it but after reading a couple descriptions I was like "oh okay" and now just ignore it. 😅