HBC ISSUES

[kostas]

ISSUE 1. Hey guys i have joined ISABELLE AMELIE'S  fanclub  and did  a pvt show with her some months ago. Today she sent us [her fanclub members} a message that it was saying ''the worst site in the worls now with the most inactive mens". Who does she think she is;; Have some hbc models go crazy;; Why does hbc have models with such a bad behaviour; Personally i left her fanclub and will never ever see her either on free.

ISSUE 2. Some models write on their profiles that they dont want   in the beginnng of the private show , messages like hi, can you flex your biceps ;
What do they mean ; Do they mean that we have to write 10 minutes about ourselves and then she can flex for me for two minutes ; I was thinking that since i pay for the first second of the private show, i am the one who decides if wants many words or just after 1 minute of an introduction[ the names and country only] we start the flexes.. 
             What do you think about this two things;;

[ExtremePumpz]

i agree with #2 totally, if the flexing doesn't start fast and it's all chatter, i leave

[ark [abracadabra]]

Muscleandcurves has a similar silly policy of no topless unless you spend like 15+ minutes in one-on-one or something.

[Duke69]

Isabelle works harder than 90 percent if the girls on HBC.  She gives a great show and is always fun and perky.  That is my observation on her. 

[LiveFree]

A lot of these women don't see their selves as traditional "cam models". Meaning they simply refuse to accept the fact that they're primarily there for sexual reasons. This leads to females thinking they can chat your money away or don't have to put on a show. This leads me to believe that HBC is not telling them the realities of what they're getting into.

Secondly, all these women care about is your money, don't get fooled and believe otherwise for a second.

That said, just don't spend your money on women who pose for 1 minute and try to talk the rest of the way.

[ark [abracadabra]]

This is correct. I've seen some of the herbiceps IG posts to recruit girls for webcam where they try to advertise it as a classy thing, showing a picture of Oana or someone, saying she makes $20k per year or $50k per year or whatever it is.

I remember Charliejay telling people on cam that her roommates were making fun of her for doing "muscle porn." Only it wasn't a joke, that's what it was. I think it used to be much cleaner many years ago, but it turned very sexual. That made them more money, so they were OK with it. And should they tell the girls the truth? Their goal is to make money. Typically when someone complains about poor service on the HB forums, Mike just responds "vote with your wallet" instead of dealing with the problematic models. I'm sure Femflex will come in and tell us how customer-oriented they are, but they did reduce the deposit bonuses, do let models hide in pay chat, and still allow women like Strongmichelle to work there.

Anyway, usually the eastern europeans are the worst as far as time-wasting and all that. The Americans tend to at least try.

[Bernie1212]

Wow, I have seen Isabelle before and she does put on a good show, and is smoking hot.  But that puts me off a little.  Poor form on her behalf.  I do know she is one of the performers who is on like three or four sites at the same time too.  That is just bad for business.

I have had the experience of someone saying something in the lines of, "I hate it when guys come in and just say to flex my biceps, please don't be one of those guys."  Ummmmmmm, if that is what they are paying for in premium, then that is theirs to ask.  Seriously.  That bothers me, sometimes I don't mind chatting, it depends on the performer, but if that is all they want to do, then I just wont spend money on the performer anymore.  "vote with your wallet" is valid at times.  I think Femflex would be more likely to say to have you email them and they will talk with the performer.  They cannot monitor every single thing that happens on the site first hand, they need consumer feedback to help them with most issues.

As far as the muscle porn comment, and the not seeing themselves as traditional "cam models."  I agree sadly.  When HBC first started, I think it was in 2006, they did not allow nudity.  The set out to set themselves apart in that way.  Over the course of time it became more of a look the other way policy, then officially allowing.  I would say the first short while it was around it was a different site, that wasn't necessarily "muscle porn" or a traditional cam site, but it has evolved into something different.  I am not the one to judge whether it is good or bad, it just is.  To me it is a pre=paid cam site that specializes in performers that range from fit women to bodybuilders. 

[ark [abracadabra]]

Just read the topics about Strongmichelle. She's apparently a con artist who has successfully squeezed a ton of money out of people and lied about selling videos or whatever. I remember when she first started, it would be "plz add just a little more" or she'd start begging for tips when you were already in one-on-one, paying $7/minute. Ideally, the guys would be smart enough to just leave, but they become addicted and the girls know this. That's why it works. It is the responsibility of the business owners to kick out dishonest employees. Or the other eastern europeans who complain they only get half the money you spend, so you need to tip them. Or read up on the session forums and see how addicted some people get. Some guys seem to have sessioned with basically every girl out there, and within days of a new girl showing up on the session scene, are already trying to schedule a new session. Regardless, it's pretty irresponsible to have a bunch of people complain about your model on your forums and just say "vote with your wallet" instead of "please email us with specific details, we'll look into it."

[femwrest]

Have chatted with Isabelle before many times.  Her physique is amazing and she certainly knows how to give you a hard on.  But yes she is impatient and does have a bit of an attitude.  As long as are able/willing to look past that, she's fine. 

As for having certain policies, I think that's fine provided its made known in advance.  Like if one doesn't do nude for any price, then the profile page should say no nude or no topless.  With regards to not posing in one-on-one until you tip her, that sucks.  I mean this is HBC for crying out loud so if you're not gonna pose what are you doing here?  And one-on-one is already the most expensive category so what else do you expect?  A big fat tip when you are already getting paid by the second? 

[ark [abracadabra]]

Yeah it's pretty funny. I don't like the whole tipping thing anyway. I think private is a better situation. When I see guys tipping a girl 10 credits in free chat for a flex, I just think wow, a whole dollar, no wonder some of the girls get negative attitudes working on here. I don't know anything about isabelle, just speaking generally.

The no nudity thing is a fine policy, I respect it. Of course many times that turns into "nudity/topless for certain clients she knows well enough," which is pretty much the same thing as "only topless after x minutes." But my connection cut out one time with muscleandcurves, and she still didn't go topless in one-on-one when I came back. At least she's fairly honest though, unlike michelle "oh yeah i do topless come one on one ... just kidding lol i'm not taking my top off"

Still, it's better than some of the other cam sites. I remember I found a relatively muscular girl on a regular cam site, and I asked her to pec flex and she said "and what I get for that?" (meaning she wanted me to give her a $100 tip on top of the private cost). If anything, flexing should be so preferred on the regular cam sites anyway, since I wasn't even asking them to masturbate the way most people do there.

[LiveFree]

This is correct. I've seen some of the herbiceps IG posts to recruit girls for webcam where they try to advertise it as a classy thing, showing a picture of Oana or someone, saying she makes $20k per year or $50k per year or whatever it is.

I remember Charliejay telling people on cam that her roommates were making fun of her for doing "muscle porn." Only it wasn't a joke, that's what it was. I think it used to be much cleaner many years ago, but it turned very sexual. That made them more money, so they were OK with it. And should they tell the girls the truth? Their goal is to make money. Typically when someone complains about poor service on the HB forums, Mike just responds "vote with your wallet" instead of dealing with the problematic models. I'm sure Femflex will come in and tell us how customer-oriented they are, but they did reduce the deposit bonuses, do let models hide in pay chat, and still allow women like Strongmichelle to work there.

Anyway, usually the eastern europeans are the worst as far as time-wasting and all that. The Americans tend to at least try.

I have to agree with Mike on that. Yes, ideally they should set better standards, but they won't. All of these things we constantly complain about would have been fixed a long time ago had we voted with our wallets. In the end, the community is to blame for supporting women and a platform that doesn't support them.

[ark [abracadabra]]

This is correct. I've seen some of the herbiceps IG posts to recruit girls for webcam where they try to advertise it as a classy thing, showing a picture of Oana or someone, saying she makes $20k per year or $50k per year or whatever it is.

I remember Charliejay telling people on cam that her roommates were making fun of her for doing "muscle porn." Only it wasn't a joke, that's what it was. I think it used to be much cleaner many years ago, but it turned very sexual. That made them more money, so they were OK with it. And should they tell the girls the truth? Their goal is to make money. Typically when someone complains about poor service on the HB forums, Mike just responds "vote with your wallet" instead of dealing with the problematic models. I'm sure Femflex will come in and tell us how customer-oriented they are, but they did reduce the deposit bonuses, do let models hide in pay chat, and still allow women like Strongmichelle to work there.

Anyway, usually the eastern europeans are the worst as far as time-wasting and all that. The Americans tend to at least try.

I have to agree with Mike on that. Yes, ideally they should set better standards, but they won't. All of these things we constantly complain about would have been fixed a long time ago had we voted with our wallets. In the end, the community is to blame for supporting women and a platform that doesn't support them.

I mean, the whole point of this (and other forms of porn) is to get you addicted. That's why people often don't vote with their wallet. If you want to continue to exploit people in that way instead of doing your best to offer the best possible product, go ahead. Either way, the way they deal with these problems isn't really a surprise, given that they hire extremely slow-working foreign developers and continue to host their main site with diana***** even though they know it's an insecure website that keeps clients' credit card numbers and steals money via fake companies.

[fp909]

I used to be a regular on the old site but due to some life circumstances, and also some things on the new site, i haven't been back much.

I've also been in with some of the women who won't do much in private or even 1:1, and even if I ask a bunch they'll just talk out the credits. I get if they don't do topless I'm happy to still spend the money but don't get it twisted.

There are very few women on the site that I actually want to chat with on the regular, and they are the ones I will now wait to spend credits on. It's a short list, and it's difficult to catch them, but it's always worth it when I do, because I know what i'm getting.

[LiveFree]

This is correct. I've seen some of the herbiceps IG posts to recruit girls for webcam where they try to advertise it as a classy thing, showing a picture of Oana or someone, saying she makes $20k per year or $50k per year or whatever it is.

I remember Charliejay telling people on cam that her roommates were making fun of her for doing "muscle porn." Only it wasn't a joke, that's what it was. I think it used to be much cleaner many years ago, but it turned very sexual. That made them more money, so they were OK with it. And should they tell the girls the truth? Their goal is to make money. Typically when someone complains about poor service on the HB forums, Mike just responds "vote with your wallet" instead of dealing with the problematic models. I'm sure Femflex will come in and tell us how customer-oriented they are, but they did reduce the deposit bonuses, do let models hide in pay chat, and still allow women like Strongmichelle to work there.

Anyway, usually the eastern europeans are the worst as far as time-wasting and all that. The Americans tend to at least try.

I have to agree with Mike on that. Yes, ideally they should set better standards, but they won't. All of these things we constantly complain about would have been fixed a long time ago had we voted with our wallets. In the end, the community is to blame for supporting women and a platform that doesn't support them.

I mean, the whole point of this (and other forms of porn) is to get you addicted. That's why people often don't vote with their wallet. If you want to continue to exploit people in that way instead of doing your best to offer the best possible product, go ahead. Either way, the way they deal with these problems isn't really a surprise, given that they hire extremely slow-working foreign developers and continue to host their main site with diana***** even though they know it's an insecure website that keeps clients' credit card numbers and steals money via fake companies.

Addicted to what? Being ripped off? Either you're getting what you want for your money or you're not. If you're not, then there's nothing to be addicted to. Either way, we can talk about the way things should be or operate within reality. No amount of complaining is going to change their ways. Them losing money and customers is the only solution. If you're recording your cam sessions there's no need to go back anyway. For what? To see the same girl do the same poses in the same condition. It's pointless, just go back and watch your old stuff. Don't make yourself powerless. If you really feel that way about them why give them your money? Addicted? No one is addicted to porn itself, they're addicted to what porn leads to. Which you don't need to buy new stuff for that.

[LiveFree]

Also, I'm not trying to come down on you or anyone else. I'm just being realistic about the solution. If you care enough about it, that's the solution.