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Private Sessions => Talking about sessionettes => Topic started by: KingBoy99 on March 03, 2024, 10:28:33 am
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I feel like most session wrestlers today are also affiliated with the adult industry, which makes most of them not as skilled as purely session wrestlers with martial arts background.
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I feel like most session wrestlers today are also affiliated with the adult industry, which makes most of them not as skilled as purely session wrestlers with martial arts background.
Being involved in the adult industry doesn't exclude you from being a skilled martial artist, and there are a good chunk of skilled grapplers and martial artists who have also shot fetish videos and pics (which, whether it is "hardcore porn" or not, is still part of a adult industry.
Also, not every session wrestler needs to be skilled in martial artists because not every client is looking for that in a wrestler. Some clients like big muscles and are happy to do muscle worship and strength feats for an hour. Others prefer fantasy and fetish wrestling which doesn't really require a proficient level of martial arts skills. And others want a skilled grappler for a competitive or semi-comp session.
I think the quality of session wrestlers have remained relatively the same now as it was in the past. There are MORE wrestlers out there, and it's more accessible to be a wrestler so I think that can lead to, for lack of a better phrase, a diluted talent pool, but I think the amount of QUALITY wrestlers is pretty similar to the past.
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To begin, the ladies on the circuit right now are FABULOUS! But to me the golden era for sessioning was around 2010. I think Femdom as taken a large chunk of potential sessioniates away and ones that be amazing.
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To begin, the ladies on the circuit right now are FABULOUS! But to me the golden era for sessioning was around 2010. I think Femdom as taken a large chunk of potential sessioniates away and ones that be amazing.
As someone who's a member of forums concerning sessions with female bodybuilders/fitness women and domination / dominatrix forums, there is one consistent refrain in both: a lot of bodybuilder fans guys don't particularly care for bodybuiilder/dominas, while traditional submissives yearn for the days of Mistresses are not bodybuilders and do not offer wrestling. (And P.S. - Many traditional dominas are "appalled" to be lumped in with bodybuilders. Talk of wrestling, muscle worship etc. and rumors of sensual play does not sound "dominant" to them, with some of the activities seeming to break the law, in THEIR opinions.)
For me, I got into sessions with female bodybuilders/fitness competitors in the early 2000s due to my Amazon Queen role play I had for years with dominas. The overwhelming majority of the women I've been lucky to meet love being dominant in role play. I've told more than a few ladies about their dominantion, "You don't need equipment. YOU are the equipment." My major activity with FBBs was from 2002 or so until around 2018, and I agree with MixedFighter99 that around 2010 was the golden era for me. I sessioned with most of the women I always wanted to meet and around that year two ladies who I was a regular with, Goddess Vegas (a.k.a. Lethal Leg Goddess) and Diana Ball retired. Muscle Foxx Jenni and others I knew stopped traveling or left the scene. However Lora Ottenad is still around and as powerful and gorgeous as ever and I've done fantasy / role play with Amazon Nikki, who's amazing. The scene is different now, and I think sessionettes that are a combo of FBBs and Mistresses have helped and broadened the appeal.
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There's give and take in everything. Various years would be 'the best' if you were into a very specific type of lady, that much is true, but it's also never been impossible to meet a certain type and that's still true today. Social media has meant some ladies never got into sessions who would've been great, but it's also meant being able to communicate with some cool ladies who I've met for sessions but for various reasons wouldn't want to put themselves on the lists.
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There's give and take in everything. Various years would be 'the best' if you were into a very specific type of lady, that much is true, but it's also never been impossible to meet a certain type and that's still true today. Social media has meant some ladies never got into sessions who would've been great, but it's also meant being able to communicate with some cool ladies who I've met for sessions but for various reasons wouldn't want to put themselves on the lists.
I completely agree. I think "the best" for me was when I entered the scene in '02, was 22 years younger (LOL!) and in good shape, and this whole bodybuilder scene was new to me. I sessioned with gorgeous FBBs who were around my age, no younger than 30, who I only saw in pics online and fantasized about meeting. They were into the same things, and more.
I've reached a ripe old age, still in good health (but not exactly the shape I was in), don't have the budget for sessions anymore... except for a dominatrix I've known for a long time, UTR, who knows my muscle history & fantasy quite well, and has powerful legs. Miss the ladies I mentioned and FBBs I didn't meet, but I can't complain.
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I think if you are into wrestling and/or dom sessions, there are more choices than ever, mainly by looking at the SG website.
There may be fewer FBBs now doing sessions, at least those who still compete. Besides there are also fewer FBBs competing.
A lot of the muscle in SG now are Physique, Figure and retired FBB. The FBBs have online sites to display muscles, so it seems they
don't need in person meetings as much as the wrestlers + doms.
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About competitive wrestling, I can't judge : I don't wrestle. About sessions in general, clearly not. The number and variety of session providers has never been so vast. Of course, some "legends" have retired and we miss them, but new generations are really good too...
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I just hit my 10 year anniversary. I'm into Dom type sessions and things have never been better. More, and better, ladies doing it.
Excepting that Annie Rivieccio left the scene a few years ago. [Sad face]
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I just hit my 10 year anniversary. I'm into Dom type sessions and things have never been better. More, and better, ladies doing it.
Excepting that Annie Rivieccio left the scene a few years ago. [Sad face]
I lived in Florida recently and in my area there were no FBBs or domina/FBBs within reasonable driving distance. I contacted Annie and asked what the price would be if I flew her from Georgia to FL, got a hotel near the airport to session for an hour or so, and drove her back to the airport for her flight. (I was in northern FL and the flight would have been an hour or so, each way.) I couldn't really travel. She was polite, thanked me for the interest, but by then was only doing local sessions. Damned shame I missed her.
I was / is into tall, busty (mostly blonde) dominas or FBBs. But something about Annie has always brought out the "Beast" in me. LOL!
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Strictly speaking Annie isn't my type either, so my testifying to her general awesomeness should be viewed accordingly.
I can see how fbb lovers might feel discouraged at the moment, after all the late 90s brought I'd say the first crop of truly great ones, and those who did offer sessions are finally going away and largely not being replaced. As of now there are a couple of pro fbbs but the current bb presence is mostly comprised of physique class ladies, and as nice as most of those are it just ain't the same.
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Annie brings out the beast in anyone though with me she was a brute in the best way possible.
I will say that I'm biased when it comes to the scene how it was 10-15 years ago:
1. I was younger back then and while I'm in excellent shape for 46, I'm the first one to admit that I stronger and had better stamina aka took a lot more back then.
2. I was completely single back then compare to now where I do a much younger lady friend who I do see (non committed relationship) so while I session quite often, I session more back then.
3. The ladies from that era are my favorite. FlexZee is my personal GOAT while you had Arkeah Lox at her peak, along with other greats from Megan Avalon, Julie Squeeze, Scarlett Devine, Yasmin, Austin Lynn, Becca Swanson, Hot Stuff Hollie (again in her peak) and even someone like Raquel from Georgia.
4. I feel like that is when we had the deepest bench of truly great "sessioniates". There seems to be more girls now but many are domantrixes who also offer sessions which look I adore dominatrixes but I really enjoy when you had girls that were truly sessuoniates with hard muscles that could throw you around on the mat with skill, beat your ass, and then could worship their muscles and if you want dominate you as they were skilled and strong. Dominatrixes I feel like while experts at domination are maybe not as skilled at wrestling and beatdowns along with while they are great shape, are not hard bodies.
So while to me the Golden Age was 10-15 years ago, I freely admit I'm biased for various reasons.
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Strictly speaking, Annie isn't my type either, so my testifying to her general awesomeness should be viewed accordingly.
I can see how fbb lovers might feel discouraged at the moment, after all the late 90s brought I'd say the first crop of truly great ones, and those who did offer sessions are finally going away and largely not being replaced. As of now, there are a couple of pro fbbs, but the current bb presence is mostly comprised of physique class ladies, and as nice as most of those are, it just ain't the same.
One of my biggest disappointments in life is that fitcross ladies never really got into the session scene. When they first started popping up a lot several years ago, I was like, "Holy fuck these girls are going to become sessions and make a gold mine while he glow in their greatness". And yet without almost no exception? None of them are sessionsiates and it's just a crying shame even though obviously you must respect their decision. They honestly be perfect at it potentially. They are ripped and strong as hell with absolutely insane muscles but not FBB big. They are obviously athletes and could be fabulous wrestlers and give insane beatdowns, plus again, have the muscle and dominance you want as well.
And many are absolute gorgeous. Imagine someone like Sara Sigmundsdóttir or Brooke Wells as a sessioniate. They be making so amazing potentially its scary. Ditto what they could make which again is one of the reasons why almost none of them got into it. Let's face it Fit Cross is not a sport where you can make a lot of money even if you are someone like Brooke Ence. And obviously the demand for them would be off the charts. So again have really no idea none of them venture into our world other then many seem to be religious in various forms so to them sessioning would be not something they be comfortable with which again you have to respect. But something that will always disappoint me to my core. :(
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Strictly speaking, Annie isn't my type either, so my testifying to her general awesomeness should be viewed accordingly.
I can see how fbb lovers might feel discouraged at the moment, after all the late 90s brought I'd say the first crop of truly great ones, and those who did offer sessions are finally going away and largely not being replaced. As of now, there are a couple of pro fbbs, but the current bb presence is mostly comprised of physique class ladies, and as nice as most of those are, it just ain't the same.
One of my biggest disappointments in life is that fitcross ladies never really got into the session scene. When they first started popping up a lot several years ago, I was like, "Holy fuck these girls are going to become sessions and make a gold mine while he glow in their greatness". And yet without almost no exception? None of them are sessionsiates and it's just a crying shame even though obviously you must respect their decision. They honestly be perfect at it potentially. They are ripped and strong as hell with absolutely insane muscles but not FBB big. They are obviously athletes and could be fabulous wrestlers and give insane beatdowns, plus again, have the muscle and dominance you want as well.
And many are absolute gorgeous. Imagine someone like Sara Sigmundsdóttir or Brooke Wells as a sessioniate. They be making so amazing potentially its scary. Ditto what they could make which again is one of the reasons why almost none of them got into it. Let's face it Fit Cross is not a sport where you can make a lot of money even if you are someone like Brooke Ence. And obviously the demand for them would be off the charts. So again have really no idea none of them venture into our world other then many seem to be religious in various forms so to them sessioning would be not something they be comfortable with which again you have to respect. But something that will always disappoint me to my core. :(
I'm a CrossFitter myself. There are TONS of CrossFit ladies out there, but if you're referring to Games-Caliber athletes, they represent a tiny, tiny, TINY amount of all the women who do CrossFit (ok, I'm being a litle pedantic right not, it's just a small pet peeve of mine when people only consider Games athletes as "Crossfit women," and not all of the women who CrossFit.)
Anyway, I think it's because while the NPC and IFBB turn a pretty blind eyes towards bodybuilders who do session wrestling, CrossFit HQ, Rogue and TYR, along with other major sponsors for elite CrossFit competitions, really don't want their ladies doing session wrestling. They definitely embrace the squeaky clean image of their athletes. Plus, like you said, in addition to that I am sure that a lot of them who do know that there are men who fetishize them really don't want to wrestle with strangers for money because, again, image.
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Which session wrestlers who are also bodybuilders had an martial arts background? Fabi Antoine is a Judp black belt. Anyone else who also competed at bodybuilding?
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Hate the influx of wrestlers/Jiu Jitsu practitioners, BDSM/Mistress entering the industry
I yearn for pure female bodybuilders, roided up, deep voices, big clits hoping we see a comeback or a new crop of female bodybuilders.
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Agreed with what several people have said about the late 90s through about 2010 or so. Great age for the sport with a lot of quality ladies. Everything from models to strippers to athletes to bodybuilders to skilled martial artists and more. Just a ton of quality ladies out there with a lot of variety
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Hate the influx of wrestlers/Jiu Jitsu practitioners, BDSM/Mistress entering the industry
I yearn for pure female bodybuilders, roided up, deep voices, big clits hoping we see a comeback or a new crop of female bodybuilders.
It seems many of them make more or the same money with content and because of it do not tour.
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I feel like most session wrestlers today are also affiliated with the adult industry, which makes most of them not as skilled as purely session wrestlers with martial arts background.
Short answer: No.
There appears to be as many very good wrestlers and other fighters (MMA, Muay Thai, Karate, Taekwondo) as there were in 2010. The pool of session providers has been diluted with those who aren't willing to offer these services, but the overall number of skilled competitors seems to be about the same.
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I agree that today there are
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I agree that today there are fewer huge bodybuilders than say ten years ago, especially in the US, but Europe seems to still have a large selection. However, the quality of ladies in the hobby today is very high, and I have been able to establish good connections with some of them, more than in the past (I prefer the more sensual sessions).
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I don't want to be one of those who say that in the past female wrestlers/sessionettes were bigger and better in the '00s when I entered the scene versus today, but I can see the point of anyone who feels that way. Yes, Mistresses from the kink/BDSM world have entered the wrestling scene over the past few years with seemingly fewer FBBs being around. Maybe it was Covid that got some to stop touring, fewer FBBs around (it is an expensive and time consuming activity) and maybe those who are the massive FBBs like 10, 15 years ago are doing online sessions only - or a combo of all three.
After reading the responses here I went on the Sessiongirls.com's "New Girls" listing today (3/17/2024) there were 11 people who just joined the site. Now this is one day, and sessiongirls.com, a good site, isn't the be all and end all of the scene, but can give you a good idea of what is available currently. Of the "New Girls" nine women looked more like dominas, attractive but far from bodybuilders; one TS who is listed as a dominatrix; and one woman who was listed as a dominatrix/wrestler. Here is her listing: https://sessiongirls.com/quads-queen/ Quads Queen is muscular but far from the FBBs of the past.
I'm not active anymore... unless a major favorite of mine comes to my city and I have the time and $ to do one more session. But, nostalgia aside, I can understand the point of those who say the quality of wrestlers has, at least, changed in the past 15 years or so.
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One of the reasons we're seeing more dommes on SessionGirls is that Eros shut down all ads for Dommes last November.
Many of the Dommes we see aren't new to the business at all, but are seeking new outlets for their ads. SessionGirls is one of them.
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ji_scott, excellent point! The departure of Eros has to be a factor.
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Strictly speaking, Annie isn't my type either, so my testifying to her general awesomeness should be viewed accordingly.
I can see how fbb lovers might feel discouraged at the moment, after all the late 90s brought I'd say the first crop of truly great ones, and those who did offer sessions are finally going away and largely not being replaced. As of now, there are a couple of pro fbbs, but the current bb presence is mostly comprised of physique class ladies, and as nice as most of those are, it just ain't the same.
One of my biggest disappointments in life is that fitcross ladies never really got into the session scene. When they first started popping up a lot several years ago, I was like, "Holy fuck these girls are going to become sessions and make a gold mine while he glow in their greatness". And yet without almost no exception? None of them are sessionsiates and it's just a crying shame even though obviously you must respect their decision. They honestly be perfect at it potentially. They are ripped and strong as hell with absolutely insane muscles but not FBB big. They are obviously athletes and could be fabulous wrestlers and give insane beatdowns, plus again, have the muscle and dominance you want as well.
And many are absolute gorgeous. Imagine someone like Sara Sigmundsdóttir or Brooke Wells as a sessioniate. They be making so amazing potentially its scary. Ditto what they could make which again is one of the reasons why almost none of them got into it. Let's face it Fit Cross is not a sport where you can make a lot of money even if you are someone like Brooke Ence. And obviously the demand for them would be off the charts. So again have really no idea none of them venture into our world other then many seem to be religious in various forms so to them sessioning would be not something they be comfortable with which again you have to respect. But something that will always disappoint me to my core. :(
I'm a CrossFitter myself. There are TONS of CrossFit ladies out there, but if you're referring to Games-Caliber athletes, they represent a tiny, tiny, TINY amount of all the women who do CrossFit (ok, I'm being a litle pedantic right not, it's just a small pet peeve of mine when people only consider Games athletes as "Crossfit women," and not all of the women who CrossFit.)
Anyway, I think it's because while the NPC and IFBB turn a pretty blind eyes towards bodybuilders who do session wrestling, CrossFit HQ, Rogue and TYR, along with other major sponsors for elite CrossFit competitions, really don't want their ladies doing session wrestling. They definitely embrace the squeaky clean image of their athletes. Plus, like you said, in addition to that I am sure that a lot of them who do know that there are men who fetishize them really don't want to wrestle with strangers for money because, again, image.
That is a good point that crossfit sponsors want to keep a wholesome image for their league while the governing bodies of bodybuilding don't give a fuck they do in order to earn more money just as long as their discreet. So that plays a factor in having less fitcross ladies in the session world but more bodybuilders.
And I do think Eros played a big part in it but a dominatrix I lnow told me she just gers request after request for it so in her world aa it's been building over the past ten plus years therefore you need to go where the client base will be. I don't blame them just I don't blame even the bodybuilding sessioniates if they just want to keep it more fantasy wrestling and beatdowns. It is much safer that way especially many of these dominatixes are not big.