Forum Saradas
Private Sessions => Warnings for Private Sessions & Scammers and Complaints => Topic started by: Female Bodybuilding on November 20, 2014, 09:59:32 pm
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http://wb270.com/ind/bellaCA.htm this is a scammer and Hazel Piazza says under her thread that http://saradas.org/index.php?topic=52252.240 she emailed WB270 owner twice but wb270 site owner still insists on not removing that fake profile.
I know you wb270 owner, you're an active member on Saradas and everyday online, hear this and as Hazel requested delete that fake profile.
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Quite a sweeping statement about wb270.com.
What he will say and always has said is that he makes no money from his site and updates can be slow depending on his day job. In addition to that, he appears to use one email address and gets lots of emails and some are mistakenly put in the spam folder.
I am more concerned about how he verifies the identity of the people in the profile before putting them online.
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How is the identity of a member verified on this site?
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He frequents this board regularly...he does try to screen the women applying to be added to the site. Sometimes, fakes and frauds do slip through....it's only human to be fooled by a few who could be convincing/deceptive enough to slip through. He has made an effort to remove fakes/frauds from the list when there is undeniable proof a woman is a fake/fraud/scammer and reports of such are not just coming from someone miffed over something that didn't go their way in a session and trying to damage her reputation.( which by logic would take some sort of proof or more than only one person's report).
He does state when you apply to join the site as a wrestler, that he needs to be contact the wrestler applying by phone number and have a address that can verified in the event that things come up and he needs extra verification that a wrestler is who she says is and in the area she says she is based out of. Obviously not fool proof, but he has far more legit providers than fakes/frauds/scammers.
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Interesting view Shelly but reading the original post, someone has effectively committed ID theft and used wb270.com to get away with.
There should be some other way for someone to get hold of him other than a Yahoo email address. May be he should take his own advice and keep a business cell phone just to be contactable for such queries.
Apart from the fraud that may have been committed, it is possible that an innocent women's reputation is being put at risk. Perhaps there should be another criteria for someone to join the site.
Personally, I've found that doing a session with someone based on a recommendation from someone I see regularly is better than seeing new women that pop up on wb270.com.
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Interesting view Shelly but reading the original post, someone has effectively committed ID theft and used wb270.com to get away with.
There should be some other way for someone to get hold of him other than a Yahoo email address. May be he should take his own advice and keep a business cell phone just to be contactable for such queries.
Apart from the fraud that may have been committed, it is possible that an innocent women's reputation is being put at risk. Perhaps there should be another criteria for someone to join the site.
Personally, I've found that doing a session with someone based on a recommendation from someone I see regularly is better than seeing new women that pop up on wb270.com.
well. with that viewpoint if everyone else thought the same, only existing and well know women already doing sessions would get clients and that would deadlock any new wrestlers/session women from ever getting started because obviously some women such as myself are practically unknown and unheard of. This kind of viewpoint basically ensures that only well established, well known women will get clients. Saying this may only end up discouraging any fresh, new sessionettes from wanting to get started.
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Interesting view Shelly. When I first started doing session, I never used wb270 in fact I had not even heard of it. I came across it on a Yahoo search looking for FBB sites.
I used to use Cheryl Harris' Iron Belles website. You would either book the women through Cheryl or directly. As I had met Cheryl, she was always able to vouch for the women so I had no problems with seeing someone new listed on her site.
Wb270 cannot vouch for every woman he lists and there are only a handful that he has written personal recommendations for as he has met them and sessioned with them. I've always looked at wb270.com as a directory for people looking for women wrestlers and nothing more.
I dare say that if Hazel Piazza had been falsely listed on sessiongirls.com, Jennifer Thomas would have immediate action when she received her email.
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Interesting view Shelly. When I first started doing session, I never used wb270 in fact I had not even heard of it. I came across it on a Yahoo search looking for FBB sites.
I used to use Cheryl Harris' Iron Belles website. You would either book the women through Cheryl or directly. As I had met Cheryl, she was always able to vouch for the women so I had no problems with seeing someone new listed on her site.
Wb270 cannot vouch for every woman he lists and there are only a handful that he has written personal recommendations for as he has met them and sessioned with them. I've always looked at wb270.com as a directory for people looking for women wrestlers and nothing more.
I dare say that if Hazel Piazza had been falsely listed on sessiongirls.com, Jennifer Thomas would have immediate action when she received her email.
Well... I highly doubt Jennifer would rip a profile off from one solitary complaint. And just as wb270 can't vouch for every woman on his list, neither can Jennifer Thomas or sessiongirls.
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Interesting view Shelly but reading the original post, someone has effectively committed ID theft and used wb270.com to get away with.
There should be some other way for someone to get hold of him other than a Yahoo email address. May be he should take his own advice and keep a business cell phone just to be contactable for such queries.
Apart from the fraud that may have been committed, it is possible that an innocent women's reputation is being put at risk. Perhaps there should be another criteria for someone to join the site.
Personally, I've found that doing a session with someone based on a recommendation from someone I see regularly is better than seeing new women that pop up on wb270.com.
Also..it's not identity theft to rip off someone's photos and use them in a fake profile( I see it done on facebook by fetish guys and gals all time, have had it done to me before). Identity theft involves stealing someone's actual birth name or social security number, bank account, ect.
I get it's VERY despicable to use someone else's photo as your own to run a business and scam people.. but I checked those photos on that bella profile. Neither photo show a face... I have known you guys as clients to be more cautious to verify if someone is real or to verify that they match the condition their photos show. One way you can prove this profile a fake if you feel wb270 is doing nothing is to try getting the profile user on Skype. State you want to see the face that goes with body before you pay or schedule anything...my guess you is get no response.I might just do it myself....see what other proof I can dig up and try to get this profile shut down .
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It's not identity theft in the legal way that it is defined but in the session world, it is as good as identity theft.
Also despite the pictures on wb270 missing her face or just showing her back, if any of those are on a site with her real name, it is easy to make the connection.
There is a girls with muscle website. It is quite popular with the guys and the FBBs and fitness women who have profiles, post photos and go into the the chat room also. And in quite a lot of the cases, any session women have their real and stage names listed.
My point is this, if someone is using Hazel Piazza's photos to either scam people or get clients based on her appearance, this is wrong and after being contacted by Hazel, wb270 should pull his finger out and sort out the discrepancy.
If she is not getting any joy from wb270 himself and she believes it is a problem then more drastic measures might be needed.
One thing I will say, it would make a great question for the Legal Hour on LBC.
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It's not identity theft in the legal way that it is defined but in the session world, it is as good as identity theft.
Also despite the pictures on wb270 missing her face or just showing her back, if any of those are on a site with her real name, it is easy to make the connection.
There is a girls with muscle website. It is quite popular with the guys and the FBBs and fitness women who have profiles, post photos and go into the the chat room also. And in quite a lot of the cases, any session women have their real and stage names listed.
My point is this, if someone is using Hazel Piazza's photos to either scam people or get clients based on her appearance, this is wrong and after being contacted by Hazel, wb270 should pull his finger out and sort out the discrepancy.
If she is not getting any joy from wb270 himself and she believes it is a problem then more drastic measures might be needed.
One thing I will say, it would make a great question for the Legal Hour on LBC.
I'm well of what girls with muscle website is, I'm on it as a verified girlwithmuscle...I used to go in chat a lot..not so much. I had pics up, took them off and now updated all new pics.
My other big point was...if the only photos up were of the heads cut off and they oddly resembled a well known FBB or muscle girl...I think you guys as much you always want proof of current condition, would be asking for more proof of identity before being suckered into losing your money in a deposit for a session with a lady with no face....get my point now?lol
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First of all, I am not a particularly frequent visitor to Saradas - I come here only occasionally, perhaps once or twice a month, and normally only view a few boards. Occasionally I respond to something I notice. I don't have much time to participate here. I almost never check my messages here.
In reply to a question above, I normally do nothing to verify the identities of women listed on wb270. Most of the names on wb270.com are pseudonyms, and when I suspect that women are revealing their real names I try and dissuade them from doing that. I don't want to even know the real names of most of the women posted on wb270, out of respect for their privacy. I believe that it is now the policy here on Saradas to forbid revealing the real names of session providers who use pseudonyms. What does Saradas do to verify the real identities of the women who post here? I have no idea.
I also do not normally verify photographs, unless they seem obviously problematic (usually for copyright reasons).
Once in a while a woman gives me a name I recognize or can find online that she wants to use on wb270, and I may then do something to verify her identity, if it seems likely to be problematic.
I note that it is common for women who are listed on my site under a pseudonym to publicly deny that and to state that they do not do sessions. The reasons for this are many but fairly obvious.
I make no representation about the real identity of Bella, nor the woman in the pictures on the site that purport to be her. So far, after a couple of years, nobody has complained to me that they have been cheated by Bella in any way, and guys who are dissatisfied or feel they have been cheated are not usually shy about complaining to me. So I feel a certain presumption of innocence here is justified.
I have received a couple of short complaints from an individual (not known by me) through Saradas who claims to know that Bella is not the person in the photographs, without offer ing any real explanation of how he knows that or why he speaks authoritatively for the person in the photograph. I don't do much about anonymous, unsubstantiated claims such as these. If I get an email from somebody who claims to have met Bella, or been scammed, or to be the person in the photographs, or to hold the copyrights on the pictures, then I'll I'll investigate things as best I can and do whatever seems appropriate when I better understand the situation. But so far as I know right now, the situation is nobody has been harmed, I'm calling no foul, and I am not investigating. If you have verifiable information that bears on this, or are the woman in the pictures, e-mail me at ,wb270@yahoo.com and perhaps I'll then do something, when I can figure things out.
Finally, for goodness sake don't take wb270.com as Gospel. I can be and have been fooled many of times. I take most of the information provided to me at face value, if it's plausible, until something raises a red flag. Use some common sense, this is the Internet, the wild west as it were. I'm one guy trying to compile information on women all over the world who claim to do wrestling sessions with men, and make it generally available, but the vetting I can do is limited. Still I have reason to believe that thousands of sessions are done each year all over the world from contacts on wb270.com and many to most of them work out well for both parties. Of course, in any situation like this there are risks and some will not work out well.
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First of all, I am not a particularly frequent visitor to Saradas - I come here only occasionally, perhaps once or twice a month, and normally only view a few boards. Occasionally I respond to something I notice. I don't have much time to participate here. I almost never check my messages here.
In reply to a question above, I normally do nothing to verify the identities of women listed on wb270. Most of the names on wb270.com are pseudonyms, and when I suspect that women are revealing their real names I try and dissuade them from doing that. I don't want to even know the real names of most of the women posted on wb270, out of respect for their privacy. I believe that it is now the policy here on Saradas to forbid revealing the real names of session providers who use pseudonyms. What does Saradas do to verify the real identities of the women who post here? I have no idea.
I also do not normally verify photographs, unless they seem obviously problematic (usually for copyright reasons).
Once in a while a woman gives me a name I recognize or can find online that she wants to use on wb270, and I may then do something to verify her identity, if it seems likely to be problematic.
I note that it is common for women who are listed on my site under a pseudonym to publicly deny that and to state that they do not do sessions. The reasons for this are many but fairly obvious.
I make no representation about the real identity of Bella, nor the woman in the pictures on the site that purport to be her. So far, after a couple of years, nobody has complained to me that they have been cheated by Bella in any way, and guys who are dissatisfied or feel they have been cheated are not usually shy about complaining to me. So I feel a certain presumption of innocence here is justified.
I have received a couple of short complaints from an individual (not known by me) through Saradas who claims to know that Bella is not the person in the photographs, without offer ing any real explanation of how he knows that or why he speaks authoritatively for the person in the photograph. I don't do much about anonymous, unsubstantiated claims such as these. If I get an email from somebody who claims to have met Bella, or been scammed, or to be the person in the photographs, or to hold the copyrights on the pictures, then I'll I'll investigate things as best I can and do whatever seems appropriate when I better understand the situation. But so far as I know right now, the situation is nobody has been harmed, I'm calling no foul, and I am not investigating. If you have verifiable information that bears on this, or are the woman in the pictures, e-mail me at ,wb270@yahoo.com and perhaps I'll then do something, when I can figure things out.
Finally, for goodness sake don't take wb270.com as Gospel. I can be and have been fooled many of times. I take most of the information provided to me at face value, if it's plausible, until something raises a red flag. Use some common sense, this is the Internet, the wild west as it were. I'm one guy trying to compile information on women all over the world who claim to do wrestling sessions with men, and make it generally available, but the vetting I can do is limited. Still I have reason to believe that thousands of sessions are done each year all over the world from contacts on wb270.com and many to most of them work out well for both parties. Of course, in any situation like this there are risks and some will not work out well.
You're one of the biggest liars I have ever seen in my life. I check your profile daily and see you online everday but this is not our issue.
Before Hazel Piazza emailed your wb270@yahoo.com email twice to take this fake profile down but you still didn't. WHY?
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You're one of the biggest liars I have ever seen in my life. I check your profile daily and see you online everday but this is not our issue.
Before Hazel Piazza emailed your wb270@yahoo.com email twice to take this fake profile down but you still didn't. WHY?
Let me try and be more precise. I often leave a Chrome page open on Saradas. Once in a while look at it, usually at the New Announcements & New Sessionettes board and often at the Session Reviews board. I noticed this thread yesterday, although it apparently dates from Nov. 20 - took me nearly a month. There are many, many threads I've never opened at all.
I just searched my Yahoo e-mail. The last message I can find that contains the string "hazel piazza" was in 2013. That said, I seem to be on every spam list there ever was, because I get a lot more spam than mail I want to read and rely largely on the Yahoo spam filter. When I check my mail I typically have 4 or 5 new messages in my inbox & 40 or 50 in my spam folder, which I usually empty after skimming the subject & senders for misplaced real messages. I undoubtedly do fail to catch all real messaged in the SPAM folder & wind up deleting some unread. So I can't say for certain that nobody explicitly claiming to be hazel piazza tried to e-mail me in the past couple of months.
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I've frequented wb270 for 10 or 12 years. I've never had a problem with the listings. They are usually accurate. Some of the ladies who list there and their actual performance? Well, that's another story. This is a FREE site that is the best listing for this "hobby."
The wb270 is a fine site. If it goes away, plenty of sessionettes and their customers will be crying.
And no, I do not know who runs the WB270 and have no affiliation with the people running it. All I want to say is "Thank You."
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what is funny to me is I was trying to contact Bella for months with no response. So not sure how her scams or frauds would hurt anyone if she does not reply.
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I've frequented wb270 for 10 or 12 years. I've never had a problem with the listings. They are usually accurate. Some of the ladies who list there and their actual performance? Well, that's another story. This is a FREE site that is the best listing for this "hobby."
The wb270 is a fine site. If it goes away, plenty of sessionettes and their customers will be crying.
And no, I do not know who runs the WB270 and have no affiliation with the people running it. All I want to say is "Thank You."
I feel the same way you do Tony. It's still the main source I use and it's been very helpful to me for over ten years now. Thank you WB270 for the great service you provide us.
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Thing to remember with wb270 is it is a list of "wrestlers" and it comes with a disclaimer and health warning. So effectively should be used on that basis.
If we get back to the topic, the fact that anyone can take anyone's online photos, pass it off as their own should be of concern to more the FBBs who don't do sessions.
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I dont know anything about this topic.
I just want to say thank you to wb270 for making list of sessiongirls. Without this list I dont think I would have done sessions and I had the best time of my life with some of this girls and still have.
I look at wb270.com few times every week and it is the best site for girls who traveles and does sessions so THANK YOU wb270.
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First of all, I am not a particularly frequent visitor to Saradas - I come here only occasionally, perhaps once or twice a month, and normally only view a few boards.
Let me try and be more precise. I often leave a Chrome page open on Saradas.
You often leave a Chrome page open on Saradas and come here only occasionally, perhaps once or twice a month? :D
In Hazel Piazza (http://saradas.org/index.php?topic=52252.0) thread many members reported that there's a fake profile on wb270 pretends to be Hazel Piazza with a fake email and asks for bitcoin payments. Then Hazel Piazza joined and said that 'That's not my email address and i dont know what bitcoin is!' and 'I already emailed that site twice but no actions were made.', this discussion lasts since September.
Why do you still insist on not removing this scammer profile?
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May be no one has been scammed yet so there is no reason for concern. You have taken up the battle for Hazel. Do you know her personally?
If you or Hazel are not getting any joy going through the front door trying to contact wb270 directly, then go through the back door. If you want to know more, send me a PM.
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How the hell would we even know that the Hazel Piazza who posted here is the real Hazel Piazza? If there's a fake profile complaining about a real profile, it might just rip a hole in the space-time continuum. Run for your lives.
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How the hell would we even know that the Hazel Piazza who posted here is the real Hazel Piazza? If there's a fake profile complaining about a real profile, it might just rip a hole in the space-time continuum. Run for your lives.
This is of course much of my problem. Who is the real HP? Are the pictures on my site pictures of HP? What standing does the guy who is complaining have in this matter to speak for HP? Is it possible, or even probable, that the Real HP wants to be on my site, but doesn't want to admit that she is? It's common for women to be on my site and simultaneously deny that they ever do sessions, and even to try and have it both ways so that they want men to know who they are, but don't want their name to appear so that a neighbor's or their ex husband's, or their mother's Google search doesn't take them right to my site. Why hasn't HP complained to me or has she complained and I missed the complaint? I am willing to spend a lot of time working with women to list them in a way that allows at least many of their fans to find them, but a simple Google text search on their name doesn't find them on wb270.com and they preserve some sort of plausible deniability.
At any rate until somebody complains to me that they've been cheated because they've paid for a session with Bella and she isn't the woman in the pics, or until I get a complaint someone who claims to me that she it the real HP, those are her pictures and she wants them off my site, I don't have any strong reason to spend time on it.
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Well wb270, this on the pictures on your website.
(http://wb270.com/ind/pics/bellaCA2.jpg)
It looks identical to one of the images in this posting http://saradas.org/index.php?topic=52252.msg928451#msg928451.
The only difference is that the head has been removed. So I think that clears that matter up. If HP has emailed and said that she is not the person in the Bella profile, then you should at least remove the images or sort out the discrepancy. Alternatively, you could clear it up by contacting her and just asking her the question.
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How the hell would we even know that the Hazel Piazza who posted here is the real Hazel Piazza? If there's a fake profile complaining about a real profile, it might just rip a hole in the space-time continuum. Run for your lives.
mra78, I've already confirmed with Saradas Staff that she is Hazel Piazza and they advised me that they always check identities and never allow fake profiles here. You're a long time member and should know this.
How the hell would we even know that the Hazel Piazza who posted here is the real Hazel Piazza? If there's a fake profile complaining about a real profile, it might just rip a hole in the space-time continuum. Run for your lives.
This is of course much of my problem. Who is the real HP? Are the pictures on my site pictures of HP? What standing does the guy who is complaining have in this matter to speak for HP? Is it possible, or even probable, that the Real HP wants to be on my site, but doesn't want to admit that she is? It's common for women to be on my site and simultaneously deny that they ever do sessions, and even to try and have it both ways so that they want men to know who they are, but don't want their name to appear so that a neighbor's or their ex husband's, or their mother's Google search doesn't take them right to my site. Why hasn't HP complained to me or has she complained and I missed the complaint? I am willing to spend a lot of time working with women to list them in a way that allows at least many of their fans to find them, but a simple Google text search on their name doesn't find them on wb270.com and they preserve some sort of plausible deniability.
At any rate until somebody complains to me that they've been cheated because they've paid for a session with Bella and she isn't the woman in the pics, or until I get a complaint someone who claims to me that she it the real HP, those are her pictures and she wants them off my site, I don't have any strong reason to spend time on it.
wb270, which girls ask for BitCoin for payments?
There're many ways to verify identities of these girls. How long have you been using internet?
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wb270, which girls ask for BitCoin for payments?
There're many ways to verify identities of these girls. How long have you been using internet?
I haven't the foggiest notion which girls take bitcoins if any. None I'd guess. As a whole they aren't particularly tech savvy.
I've probably been on the Internet much longer than you have. I've been using the Internet and its predecessor the ARPANET since about 1976, when I worked for a DoD lab and I had an account on a Computer at CMU in Pittsburgh. I had to connect with a 2kbps modem to a TIP in the Pentagon. There were then a few dozen dozen places, Universities and DoD labs at that point with servers on the ARPANET. In late 1978 I moved to another lab and by then that lab had its own PDP-10 on the ARPANET, and I didn't need a modem. Wb270 goes back to a list I circulated on a couple of USENET newsgroups circa 1993.
I will say that I'm not very experienced in social media, which I largely have no interest in and generally ignore, with the exception of Youtube (that seems to count as social media) , but I spend a lot more time there watching coloratura sopranos, Sara's Horn Hangouts, Yankee diva, Tine Thing Helseth or Alison Balsom than watching bodybuilders or wrestlers. And my only interest is bodybuilders is as wrestlers.
I'm actually pretty good at identifying women on the Internet, but I usually choose not to. If I do it, it's usually to point out to women that they are asking me to put too much information on-line, because there are a bunch of selfish, childish and irresponsible men who like to show off how clever they are and out the real names of women who do sessions. So I show them how easy it is to find out their real names from what they want me to post. Of course if they are FBBs who want me to post pictures it's usually trivial to figure out who they are.
This is mostly a problem for FBBs who have a contest history. Most of the women on my list are not FBBs and don't have that problem to the same degree. But it can be a problem for women with a martial arts competition history. Women who are well known may want their fans to be able to figure out who they are on wb270.com, but not want their real name to be linked with wb270 or doing sessions in a Google search, including potential difficulty going through border control, custody and support payment disputes, perhaps taxes, and all the social complications that they or their children (there are a LOT of single moms on wb270) might have if neighbors, their kids playmates and friends or their own family Google their name and up pops wb270 or Saradas.
I'll worry about Bella's pics if and only if I get a plausible complaint from a customer, or a woman claiming to be the woman in the picture. If that woman is a well known bodybuilder, I can easily enough verify that she is the person. And people who keep carping about this and posting pictures here, may be doing a disservice to the person they are claiming to help.
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Wb270, why don't you just contact Bella? If she is legit, she will clear it up.
I am not sure how much of a problem this is for HP but if it was a problem for me and I did not get any joy from the guy running the site. My next port of call would be to call the abuse number for the people who registered the domain wb270.com. I am not sure what they can do because they are not responsible for the content but they will probably tell you what you can do.
Ans as you know Wb270, that information is available in the whois database. That's my 2 pennies on the subject.
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Hey guys, why are we still on this subject? This is one mistake, if it is one by the way. The old Roman expression is "let the buyer beware." Wb270 is a FREE service. Give the guy a break and move on! The thing that gets me is that the lady in question isn't particularly attractive based on the pictures... but that's just me.
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Tony, it goes to speak to the credibility of the guy running wb270.com and the guy who hosts Diana the Valkyrie. The fact is that the wb270 attempts to try and portray sessions as a non-sleazy business. I have also approached him with a complaint in the past and there is not even a reply.
This may be an isolated incident but it goes to speak to the credibility of wb270. If he is not credible, then the site cannot be considered so in my opinion.
I am not sure if this would happen on sessiongirls.com for example. I think that if HP had emailed Jennifer Thomas, action would have been taken because Jennifer does care about the credibility of the session industry and the wrestlers / FBBs listed on her site.
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Tony, it goes to speak to the credibility of the guy running wb270.com and the guy who hosts Diana the Valkyrie. The fact is that the wb270 attempts to try and portray sessions as a non-sleazy business. I have also approached him with a complaint in the past and there is not even a reply.
This may be an isolated incident but it goes to speak to the credibility of wb270. If he is not credible, then the site cannot be considered so in my opinion.
I am not sure if this would happen on sessiongirls.com for example. I think that if HP had emailed Jennifer Thomas, action would have been taken because Jennifer does care about the credibility of the session industry and the wrestlers / FBBs listed on her site.
WB270 is a free website that provides an excellent list of session providers and travellers. Before finding this list, I had to rely on classified ads, with very poor results. I have no idea how WB finds so much time to invest in the list. It is a great resource, that harkens back to the old days of the free and informative internet. Complaining about the list is like complaining about the mismatched cutlery at a free buffet.
If these photographs are being misused, the individual who is being misrepresented should contact WB herself. That would settle the issue without doubt. Until that happens, no one should question the reliability of WB's list.
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Anybody who complains about a free service of any kind is generally an arse. That's my two pennies on the subject.
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Actually Charlie, it is not really a free service for the women. I spoke to a women I met yesterday for session and it is generally accepted amongst the women they wb270 gets free sessions with the women.
I think you've kind of missed the point that motivated this topic in the first place.
This is only turning into a wb270 witch hunt because of his arrogance and when the woman I met yesterday told me what he said to her when he first met her, I am not surprised.
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Tony, it goes to speak to the credibility of the guy running wb270.com and the guy who hosts Diana the Valkyrie. The fact is that the wb270 attempts to try and portray sessions as a non-sleazy business. I have also approached him with a complaint in the past and there is not even a reply.
This may be an isolated incident but it goes to speak to the credibility of wb270. If he is not credible, then the site cannot be considered so in my opinion.
I am not sure if this would happen on sessiongirls.com for example. I think that if HP had emailed Jennifer Thomas, action would have been taken because Jennifer does care about the credibility of the session industry and the wrestlers / FBBs listed on her site.
WB270 is a free website that provides an excellent list of session providers and travellers. Before finding this list, I had to rely on classified ads, with very poor results. I have no idea how WB finds so much time to invest in the list. It is a great resource, that harkens back to the old days of the free and informative internet. Complaining about the list is like complaining about the mismatched cutlery at a free buffet.
If these photographs are being misused, the individual who is being misrepresented should contact WB herself. That would settle the issue without doubt. Until that happens, no one should question the reliability of WB's list.
It's what inspired this post in the first place. If this thread had not appeared would wb270 be discussing the issue . No.
One thing I will say is that no one is questioning the reliability of the site, they are really credibility of WB and I will always dare to question that when I read something like this.
Has he attempted to contact Bella and confirm Female bodybuilding's claim? Well we don't know yet because he just arrogantly says no one has been harmed so does not really need to take any action.
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No point has been missed - I'm very capable of reading and processing the information before me. It's quite clear actually, so please don't feel the need to correct me any further! Lol
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Actually Charlie, it is not really a free service for the women. I spoke to a women I met yesterday for session and it is generally accepted amongst the women they wb270 gets free sessions with the women.
I think you've kind of missed the point that motivated this topic in the first place.
This is only turning into a wb270 witch hunt because of his arrogance and when the woman I met yesterday told me what he said to her when he first met her, I am not surprised.
I suppose that I am arrogant in that I don't care about pleasing everybody. If you don't like wb270.com, don't use it - it's no skin off of my back. I'm just taking information that women provide to me, attempting to organize it, and post it for anyone to read. Overall I think wb270.com benefits lots of women and many of the men who are their clients. But perhaps not everybody...I loose no sleep (or money) over that. I know that there are plenty of people who are mad at me because I pick and choose whom and what I post to suite my own tastes and interests and not theirs. I would probably have a different attitude if I were trying to make money.
As a matter of disclosure, I have made no secret that I get some free sessions. I started doing free sessions because women started offering them. Perhaps surprisingly, some women have gone to some trouble to meet me. But I've never met most of the women on the site. I started the site originally, about 20 years ago, to see if I could use the Internet to find women to session with by sharing information with other men (there being relatively few women on-line then). Before long women started going on-line too and I started getting information directly from them. I saw it as the kind of free information service that was pretty common in the 1990s. WB270.com pretty well destroyed the business models of people who charged women to use their mailing lists, or who sold VHS wrestling videos with the promise that you would get the phone numbers of the ladies so you could contact them.
You shouldn't use wb270 because I get no money, or because it's totally reliable, or rigorously fair, or the information is carefully vetted before it's posted (it isn't). WB270.com is not Consumers Report or the Better Business Bureau. If you use it, use good judgement and common sense and don't send any woman a deposit you can't afford to loose. I think that the information on the site will be helpful for many men and women if they use it with the common sense that God gave to a doorknob. It's the Internet, after all and nobody knows if you're a dog. Moreover, the nature of the session business is that real identities are not usually revealed to the participants.
And don't expect me to get excited about Bella until I have some evidence from somebody who has met Bella, or get a direct complaint i can verify from the person in the photograph (or perhaps the copyright holder for the photo).
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You've had a complaint on here and done nothing about it.
Personally, I am not a friend of HP and she was concerned about the content of the site, I would be looking to complain about the content to a) The people who provide you with the domain and b) The person who hosts your site in the first place.
It is interesting the site is hosted on a server in the UK and not the US. But even in the UK, there are laws governing how the Internet is used and the content.
I don't care about your site or your list which people seem to think is the holy grail. I don't use it any more. What I do care about is that someone has used your site to portray herself as someone else. And instead of doing the decent thing and verifying if Bella is HP or not, you regurgitate the same rubbish.
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Anybody who complains about a free service of any kind is generally an arse. That's my two pennies on the subject.
Nobody is complains about a free service, they complain about a scammer who asks for bitcoin. If there's an arse it's only you scammer.
No point has been missed - I'm very capable of reading and processing the information before me. It's quite clear actually, so please don't feel the need to correct me any further! Lol
It seems you're very capable of reading and processing the information with your ass. Just use your brain to understand not your ass. Who needs to contact you jackass!
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Actually Charlie, it is not really a free service for the women. I spoke to a women I met yesterday for session and it is generally accepted amongst the women they wb270 gets free sessions with the women.
I think you've kind of missed the point that motivated this topic in the first place.
This is only turning into a wb270 witch hunt because of his arrogance and when the woman I met yesterday told me what he said to her when he first met her, I am not surprised.
I suppose that I am arrogant in that I don't care about pleasing everybody. If you don't like wb270.com, don't use it - it's no skin off of my back. I'm just taking information that women provide to me, attempting to organize it, and post it for anyone to read. Overall I think wb270.com benefits lots of women and many of the men who are their clients. But perhaps not everybody...I loose no sleep (or money) over that. I know that there are plenty of people who are mad at me because I pick and choose whom and what I post to suite my own tastes and interests and not theirs. I would probably have a different attitude if I were trying to make money.
As a matter of disclosure, I have made no secret that I get some free sessions. I started doing free sessions because women started offering them. Perhaps surprisingly, some women have gone to some trouble to meet me. But I've never met most of the women on the site. I started the site originally, about 20 years ago, to see if I could use the Internet to find women to session with by sharing information with other men (there being relatively few women on-line then). Before long women started going on-line too and I started getting information directly from them. I saw it as the kind of free information service that was pretty common in the 1990s. WB270.com pretty well destroyed the business models of people who charged women to use their mailing lists, or who sold VHS wrestling videos with the promise that you would get the phone numbers of the ladies so you could contact them.
You shouldn't use wb270 because I get no money, or because it's totally reliable, or rigorously fair, or the information is carefully vetted before it's posted (it isn't). WB270.com is not Consumers Report or the Better Business Bureau. If you use it, use good judgement and common sense and don't send any woman a deposit you can't afford to loose. I think that the information on the site will be helpful for many men and women if they use it with the common sense that God gave to a doorknob. It's the Internet, after all and nobody knows if you're a dog. Moreover, the nature of the session business is that real identities are not usually revealed to the participants.
And don't expect me to get excited about Bella until I have some evidence from somebody who has met Bella, or get a direct complaint i can verify from the person in the photograph (or perhaps the copyright holder for the photo).
Listen wb270, it's not so difficult the verification. You've got some complaints, members reported that this scammer asks for bitcoin, original lady says it's not her and she doesn't even know what is bitcoin. I never saw that other girls asks bitcoin but only this scammer. Just use your Skype and verify her identity, is it so difficult after having so many complaints, especially after bitcoin?
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Let's be clear here. The men benefit from wb270.com because it is a list of women offering "wrestling." I use "" because we all know that it is more than that.
For the users of the list, it is of course fee. For those who are listed, they are expected to provide occasional sessions to WB which he mentioned in his earlier posts.
How would you fee FBBMW, if a photo of you was posted on a profile on wb270.com and it was recognisable that it was you? You've tried to get the guy to remove the profile or at least the pictures and you get nowhere. Would you simply say, oh well it's just a problem or would say I'm not involved in the world of sessions and I do not want anyone recognising me on a site that offers this?
Now WB is not doing anything about Bella's profile because no one has been hurt by it yet. The fact that women in question and her friend has approached him should be good enough.
While it might be true that there is not way to do a Google search for HP and have it linked to Bella's profile, I first found wb270.com not by looking for sessions or female wreslters, I did a yahoo search for female bodybuilders and wb270.com was one of the sites listed in the results.
My point is simple, if you find wb270.com and Bella's profile, it is pretty simple to determine that one of the pictures is HP.
If WB was as honourable and cared about the women listed on the site as he says he is, he could approach Bella mention that she has been recognised from her photos provided and recommend that she re-list her profile under a different name with new photos. Perferably none that are not listed online anywhere. That would be the decent thing to do.
I'm not sure if he would get a reply from her. I tried emailing Bella and have not go a reply.
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So you are alleging that WB270 women must do occasional sessions with Bill? I think someone needs to backtrack pretty quick.....
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I'm not alleging anything I'm telling what a women I met on Monday told me, "It is accepted that women listed on wb270.com provide a free session to Bill."
When another woman quoted her high fees and I questioned it explaining the section on wb270.com where he says that he felt that $300 was too high and he would not pay it, she responded, "Mr Wb does not pay for sessions."
Make of that what you will.
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I'm not alleging anything I'm telling what a women I met on Monday told me, "It is accepted that women listed on wb270.com provide a free session to Bill."
When another woman quoted her high fees and I questioned it explaining the section on wb270.com where he says that he felt that $300 was too high and he would not pay it, she responded, "Mr Wb does not pay for sessions."
Make of that what you will.
So..
just causr some woman you have had sessions with said that then it must be true.
You seriously need to retract that crap just cause iys what you heard
I can verify for 100% fact that it is not true.
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My last post was from phone, so pardon the typos.
I can verify right now that every woman on wb270 is not expected to give him free sessions.
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Personally, I am not a friend of HP and she was concerned about the content of the site, I would be looking to complain about the content to a) The people who provide you with the domain and b) The person who hosts your site in the first place.
It is interesting the site is hosted on a server in the UK and not the US. But even in the UK, there are laws governing how the Internet is used and the content.
I don't care about your site or your list which people seem to think is the holy grail. I don't use it any more. What I do care about is that someone has used your site to portray herself as someone else. And instead of doing the decent thing and verifying if Bella is HP or not, you regurgitate the same rubbish.
J535, I don't want to know about your complaints: They are not valid. You are maligning someone's reputation without any facts. You don't know any of the people involved, but you insist on making this your issue. You run down WB and WB270, but you don't use it. The person whose photos may have been misrepresented as someone else's has not contacted WB to complain. You don't know if this profile is of the person pictured or not. You think going to the domain provider and site host is a way of righting this situation. Why this urge to go to the authorities? You are going to fuck up something that is free and useful for those of us that use it. Why?
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Personally, I am not a friend of HP and she was concerned about the content of the site, I would be looking to complain about the content to a) The people who provide you with the domain and b) The person who hosts your site in the first place.
It is interesting the site is hosted on a server in the UK and not the US. But even in the UK, there are laws governing how the Internet is used and the content.
I don't care about your site or your list which people seem to think is the holy grail. I don't use it any more. What I do care about is that someone has used your site to portray herself as someone else. And instead of doing the decent thing and verifying if Bella is HP or not, you regurgitate the same rubbish.
J535, I don't want to know about your complaints: They are not valid. You are maligning someone's reputation without any facts. You don't know any of the people involved, but you insist on making this your issue. You run down WB and WB270, but you don't use it. The person whose photos may have been misrepresented as someone else's has not contacted WB to complain. You don't know if this profile is of the person pictured or not. You think going to the domain provider and site host is a way of righting this situation. Why this urge to go to the authorities? You are going to fuck up something that is free and useful for those of us that use it. Why?
He seems to like to base most of knowledge of thing on hearsay..." A session woman told me" etc....you all can see most of his opinions or knowledge are based on something he heard, read or told to him.
Maybe he wants to bring down wb270 cause he doesn't use it anymore and wants his select few favorites he sees who don't use the list to offer sessions to lose their competition ..hmmmm.
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I'm not doing anything of the sort Crazycrazy. I am merely expressing a point of view as is everyone else who has commented on this thread so far. Ultimately WB is responsible for the content on the site and if anything get's messed up for all the users of wb270.com, it is down to the site content and the reluctance of the site administrator to rectify any discrepancies.
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I'm not alleging anything I'm telling what a women I met on Monday told me, "It is accepted that women listed on wb270.com provide a free session to Bill."
When another woman quoted her high fees and I questioned it explaining the section on wb270.com where he says that he felt that $300 was too high and he would not pay it, she responded, "Mr Wb does not pay for sessions."
Make of that what you will.
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just causr some woman you have had sessions with said that then it must be true.
You seriously need to retract that crap just cause iys what you heard
I can verify for 100% fact that it is not true.
I am fixing my typos now that I am home and have few minutes.
So, just cause a woman you do sessions with has said it, it must be true.
You need to retract that crap. Just cause it's what you heard doesn't mean it is true.
I can verify 100% for fact that it is not true.
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Shelly, you've expressed my opinion and I've expressed mine.
The reason that this topic is going all round the houses is because the main the topic has been forgotten.
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Shelly, you've expressed my opinion and I've expressed mine.
The reason that this topic is going all round the houses is because the main the topic has been forgotten.
Difference is, your opinion is just that..an opinion based on hearsay. My statement is not just opinion, it is fact. And me having been on wb270, I am a more reliable source than what you "heard". Not all the session wrestlers on wb270 are expected to give wb free sessions if he wants them because it was never conveyed to me when I asked to be put on the list that that was a condition of being added, as your so-called reliable source told you...THAT IS FACT.
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To be explicit, no woman is ever expected to give me a free session, in order to be listed on wb270.com, or to post her travel. Some women already on wb270.com offer me free sessions and sometimes I do them.
Shelly's experience with wb270.com is similar to other woman's experience: she asked me to list her and I decided that she seemed to meet my criteria, which are basically that she believably claimed to be able and willing to wrestle with men, or do something generally similar, so I listed her. That's what I do for every woman on the list. I made no demand for a free a session, and I make no demand on any other woman, before or after I list them. Moreover I see less than half of the women who say they do want to meet me.
I'm not very interested in listing escorts who only pretend to wrestle, bodybuilders who only pose or do muscle worship, or sex workers looking for another channel to market their wares. If you're a dominatrix, that's OK if you wrestle with and physically overpower your clients. I usually assume that a bodybuilder who says that she wrestles is strong enough to wrestle with some men, but who I take is always a judgement call. As the list grew and got harder to maintain I have become fussier about who I take, and there are some grandfathered in women on the list I probably wouldn't take today. If you're a dominatrix, that's OK if you wrestle with and physically overpower your clients.
I'm generally uninterested in dealing with or through agents, although in some circumstances I will.
Because I don't take everybody who wants on the list, and because I often don't work with producers and agents, I undoubtedly disappoint and offend a certain number of men and women. Some women may perhaps feel that they have received less favorable treatment because I never got a free session from them. I don't think that's usually true, but I am more likely to refer a guy, asking me who he should see, to a woman I've met, than one I haven't. Or when somebody asks, as guys often do, who's the strongest or best wrestler, I usually mention the girls I've met, not the ones I haven't. I'm not generally comfortable giving references for women I haven't met. You can read my reviews and discount them if you wish because the session probably was free. There is no way in hell that I'm going to do what high class restaurant reviewers do and make a reservation under an assumed identity and pay the woman cash so that she doesn't realize that she is seeing wb, and consequently you can be pretty sure that I don't get the same session you would get. Usually when I meet women they're full of questions for me that they wouldn't ask you. And we probably spend a lot more time talking than is normal. Sometimes it's about the session business, but recently we had a long conversation about the writer Elmore Leonard and the FX series Justified. I don't mind, the meter isn't running, and I'm too old to wrestle hard for an hour anyhow.
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That's sticking to the facts. J, you sure talk some utter crap.
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Folks, the main issue is still not being dealt with WB. The suspect profile and what is being talked about here not how you set up wb270.com or run the site.
I guess that the due to the subject of this post, these questions have been asked and WB has had to answer them.
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Folks, the main issue is still not being dealt with WB. The suspect profile and what is being talked about here not how you set up wb270.com or run the site.
I guess that the due to the subject of this post, these questions have been asked and WB has had to answer them.
funny...you were the one who brought up what you think he requires from session wrestlers to be added to the list....you veered it off topic onto that. I just called you on it and put that in check cause that was false untrue information.
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Shelly, I heard this from two women. One I did not meet and the other I meet regularly. I have no reason to doubt her as she prefers to not be listed on wb270. Considering the topic of this post and the way WB has not handled it, can you blame her?
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Shelly, I heard this from two women. One I did not meet and the other I meet regularly. I have no reason to doubt her as she prefers to not be listed on wb270. Considering the topic of this post and the way WB has not handled it, can you blame her?
Yes, I can blame her because it untue information.....I don't care if it was a rumor spread by a couple of women. I was listed on wb270 and I know it is NOT true or fact. Plus you brought it up, but when your "knowledge" based on hearsay is put in check for the false rumor that it is, you say it's off topic.
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Unfortunately I'm one of victims of Bella! About 20 days ago, I found her through wb270 then I emailed her for arranging a private session. She requested to to pay deposit via bitcoin, after my bitcoin payment she disappeared. She never replies my emails now. Please help!
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It is a shame 911 that you did not find this post before setting up a session with Bella. From the thread, you will see that the profile was highly suspect.
Please provide full details of the session you set up, the fee and the deposit she asked for as well as whether or not you live in her city or did you travel to her city or was she travelling to you.
Apart from posting your experience online, there is not much anyone can do. The whole session business is based on trust between the client and session woman.
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Unfortunately I'm one of victims of Bella! About 20 days ago, I found her through wb270 then I emailed her for arranging a private session. She requested to to pay deposit via bitcoin, after my bitcoin payment she disappeared. She never replies my emails now. Please help!
Send me copies of your correspondence and any other documentation you have at wb270@yahoo.com and I'll have some thing to check.
Why would you ever use bitcoin to send a session deposit? That seems crazy on the face of it. Bitcoin should set off all sorts of alarm bells.
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My 2 cents
If I were HP (or any other woman), I would take 5 seconds and send WB a webcam video, "Hey WB this is me. :::pointing to her face:::::: See?? Please take that stuff down. Thank you." She could even post it here and make sure as many people as possible see it. After that we all see if anything happens. Then we can all decide "what's what"
My 2 cents
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Problem is that no one has seen Bella yet and she wants to be listed on wb270.com. Anyway the first alleged scam from Bella has taken place now and wb270 is on the case so let's see what the outcome is.
If it were me, I would email Bella saying there is a question as to whether the pictures listed on the profile is genuine and ask her to send a verifiable photo and giver her say 4 days to reply. If she fails to reply, then he could remove the profile or if that sounds too harsh, then just the photos in the profile.
You will remember that earlier this year, Renne Toney listed her profile on wb270 and there was some discussion about the profile being genuine due to a previous scam involving her manager and he lack of current photos this time her profile was listed. I believe that as that never got cleared up in time for deposits to be taken and booking to be done, she cancelled her Europe trip.
My point is that sometimes it is better to clear these things up rather then let it run on.
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if you did missed 2 of my messages well then, I'm going to ask you here with eveyone as a witness that this accouthttp://wb270.diana*****.com/ind/bellaCA.htm does not belong to me. I ask you TO TAKE IT DOWN, this person is using my personal photos and apparently updated the profile to the city I currently moved in. if you don't take any action I will be get my lawyer involve to this.
Unfortunately I'm one of victims of Bella! About 20 days ago, I found her through wb270 then I emailed her for arranging a private session. She requested to to pay deposit via bitcoin, after my bitcoin payment she disappeared. She never replies my emails now. Please help!
Send me copies of your correspondence and any other documentation you have at wb270@yahoo.com and I'll have some thing to check.
Why would you ever use bitcoin to send a session deposit? That seems crazy on the face of it. Bitcoin should set off all sorts of alarm bells.
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if you did missed 2 of my messages well then, I'm going to ask you here with eveyone as a witness that this accouthttp://wb270.diana*****.com/ind/bellaCA.htm does not belong to me. I ask you TO TAKE IT DOWN, this person is using my personal photos and apparently updated the profile to the city I currently moved in. if you don't take any action I will be get my lawyer involve to this.
Unfortunately I'm one of victims of Bella! About 20 days ago, I found her through wb270 then I emailed her for arranging a private session. She requested to to pay deposit via bitcoin, after my bitcoin payment she disappeared. She never replies my emails now. Please help!
Send me copies of your correspondence and any other documentation you have at wb270@yahoo.com and I'll have some thing to check.
Why would you ever use bitcoin to send a session deposit? That seems crazy on the face of it. Bitcoin should set off all sorts of alarm bells.
How does anybody know that this is the real Hazel Piazza? just because the name and the picture? from what ive seen the real Hazel is pretty good at typing sentences and being literate. and why would she come here to get into litigation over this? lol I dont think this is her. I think youre all being played.
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WOW Thank you for your insult! Im here to clarify things because I am so sick of this wb270 issue. I have people emailig me about this wresting session.
if you did missed 2 of my messages well then, I'm going to ask you here with eveyone as a witness that this accouthttp://wb270.diana*****.com/ind/bellaCA.htm does not belong to me. I ask you TO TAKE IT DOWN, this person is using my personal photos and apparently updated the profile to the city I currently moved in. if you don't take any action I will be get my lawyer involve to this.
Unfortunately I'm one of victims of Bella! About 20 days ago, I found her through wb270 then I emailed her for arranging a private session. She requested to to pay deposit via bitcoin, after my bitcoin payment she disappeared. She never replies my emails now. Please help!
Send me copies of your correspondence and any other documentation you have at wb270@yahoo.com and I'll have some thing to check.
Why would you ever use bitcoin to send a session deposit? That seems crazy on the face of it. Bitcoin should set off all sorts of alarm bells.
How does anybody know that this is the real Hazel Piazza? just because the name and the picture? from what ive seen the real Hazel is pretty good at typing sentences and being literate. and why would she come here to get into litigation over this? lol I dont think this is her. I think youre all being played.
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WOW Thank you for your insult! Im here to clarify things because I am so sick of this wb270 issue. I have people emailig me about this wresting session.
if you did missed 2 of my messages well then, I'm going to ask you here with eveyone as a witness that this accouthttp://wb270.diana*****.com/ind/bellaCA.htm does not belong to me. I ask you TO TAKE IT DOWN, this person is using my personal photos and apparently updated the profile to the city I currently moved in. if you don't take any action I will be get my lawyer involve to this.
Unfortunately I'm one of victims of Bella! About 20 days ago, I found her through wb270 then I emailed her for arranging a private session. She requested to to pay deposit via bitcoin, after my bitcoin payment she disappeared. She never replies my emails now. Please help!
Send me copies of your correspondence and any other documentation you have at wb270@yahoo.com and I'll have some thing to check.
Why would you ever use bitcoin to send a session deposit? That seems crazy on the face of it. Bitcoin should set off all sorts of alarm bells.
How does anybody know that this is the real Hazel Piazza? just because the name and the picture? from what ive seen the real Hazel is pretty good at typing sentences and being literate. and why would she come here to get into litigation over this? lol I dont think this is her. I think youre all being played.
Actually, if you're the real Hazel its a compliment.
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if you did missed 2 of my messages well then, I'm going to ask you here with eveyone as a witness that this accouthttp://wb270.diana*****.com/ind/bellaCA.htm does not belong to me. I ask you TO TAKE IT DOWN, this person is using my personal photos and apparently updated the profile to the city I currently moved in. if you don't take any action I will be get my lawyer involve to this.
Unfortunately I'm one of victims of Bella! About 20 days ago, I found her through wb270 then I emailed her for arranging a private session. She requested to to pay deposit via bitcoin, after my bitcoin payment she disappeared. She never replies my emails now. Please help!
Send me copies of your correspondence and any other documentation you have at wb270@yahoo.com and I'll have some thing to check.
Why would you ever use bitcoin to send a session deposit? That seems crazy on the face of it. Bitcoin should set off all sorts of alarm bells.
How does anybody know that this is the real Hazel Piazza? just because the name and the picture? from what ive seen the real Hazel is pretty good at typing sentences and being literate. and why would she come here to get into litigation over this? lol I dont think this is her. I think youre all being played.
Shut the fuck up Jackass500! Read my former posts instead of posting bullshit, she is real Hazel Piazza. Admins already confirmed this.
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if you did missed 2 of my messages well then, I'm going to ask you here with eveyone as a witness that this accouthttp://wb270.diana*****.com/ind/bellaCA.htm does not belong to me. I ask you TO TAKE IT DOWN, this person is using my personal photos and apparently updated the profile to the city I currently moved in. if you don't take any action I will be get my lawyer involve to this.
Unfortunately I'm one of victims of Bella! About 20 days ago, I found her through wb270 then I emailed her for arranging a private session. She requested to to pay deposit via bitcoin, after my bitcoin payment she disappeared. She never replies my emails now. Please help!
Send me copies of your correspondence and any other documentation you have at wb270@yahoo.com and I'll have some thing to check.
Why would you ever use bitcoin to send a session deposit? That seems crazy on the face of it. Bitcoin should set off all sorts of alarm bells.
How does anybody know that this is the real Hazel Piazza? just because the name and the picture? from what ive seen the real Hazel is pretty good at typing sentences and being literate. and why would she come here to get into litigation over this? lol I dont think this is her. I think youre all being played.
Shut the fuck up Jackass500! Read my former posts instead of posting bullshit, she is real Hazel Piazza. Admins already confirmed this.
Again. how is this going to get resolved on here? all of the posts in this thread have done nothing. if it is the real Hazel, go to an attorney and take care of it. maybe you can even get damages for it.
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WB270, has been and still is a great source of information. I have had hours and hours of good fun based on that info. We should applaud the guy for that! I am sure he mintains the list to the best of his knowledge, and even though there are some mistakes and women who stopped wrestling quite some time ago, he still does the best he can. Thank you for that wb270!!
But today according to that list Ashley Starr, can be found in Dusseldorf AND in Amsterdam. Even though that is in theory possible, it's not very likely to be true ;-)
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Some of these women just flake out and you can't blame the site for it.
Yesterday a well known FBB under the name bulletproof lisa joined the site yesterday, and posted a tour date and everything.....now today she's gone off the site.
Some of these women just aren't serious about this and will flake out the minute they think it'll hurt them in the long run.
Thankfully those incidents are few and far between.
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WB270, has been and still is a great source of information. I have had hours and hours of good fun based on that info. We should applaud the guy for that! I am sure he mintains the list to the best of his knowledge, and even though there are some mistakes and women who stopped wrestling quite some time ago, he still does the best he can. Thank you for that wb270!!
But today according to that list Ashley Starr, can be found in Dusseldorf AND in Amsterdam. Even though that is in theory possible, it's not very likely to be true ;-)
Heard of flights? Pretty sure Amsterdam in the morning and Dusseldorf that night makes the same day more than realistic.
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WB270, has been and still is a great source of information. I have had hours and hours of good fun based on that info. We should applaud the guy for that! I am sure he mintains the list to the best of his knowledge, and even though there are some mistakes and women who stopped wrestling quite some time ago, he still does the best he can. Thank you for that wb270!!
But today according to that list Ashley Starr, can be found in Dusseldorf AND in Amsterdam. Even though that is in theory possible, it's not very likely to be true ;-)
Heard of flights? Pretty sure Amsterdam in the morning and Dusseldorf that night makes the same day more than realistic.
You don't even have to fly, car and train will do. It's not that far. Like I said defenitely not impossible, but not likely.
My post was more about supporting wb270
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First of all, Bulletproof Lisa apparently was something of a scam, and the "real" Bulletproof Lisa contacted me within less than a day. it was easy enough to verify her, and I took the posting down. If I get a complaint
I don't react well to unauthenticated officious third parties telling me who is or is not who. As far as I can tell from my e-mails, nobody has ever claimed to me to be Hazel Piazza, whose pictures are posted on Wb270.com as Bella in Houston. Nobody who has contacted me has even claimed to be the authorized representative of Hazel Piazza, although if someone claimed to be that I don't know how to authenticate that claim.
As far as I can determine, nobody has even emailed me to complain they have been scammed by Bella, which is odd if this is a scam, because people usually don't seem to be shy about doing that - not that I can often do anything to verify that a scam has occurred, or much to fix it except to remove somebody in those cases where I am convinced the woman did something wrong.
I can be contacted directly by Hazel Piazza, or anyone else, at wb270@yahoo.com. Emails at that address are the only thing I promise to look at. Please put something like "The Real Hazel Piazza" in the subject so I'll notice it if it winds up in the Yahoo SPAM filter. It shouldn't be hard to authenticate her if she wants me to do anything.
Finally, I sometimes question the schedules women give me, if I see wild inconsistencies or outright impossibilities. Ashley Starr sends me schedule changes almost daily, sometimes two or three a day, and I'm sure in some cases I don't get everything exactly current or right. Moreover I usually don't challenge schedules where it seems unlikely, but not impossible that the woman will do one place first thing in the morning, hop on a plane, and if all goes well do another place in the evening. I don't even worry too much if women want me to post two places on the same day, planning to to the one where she gets the most interest. But if she does too much of that, then I may put my foot down, because it's extra work for me and it makes the travel lists less useful. But basically I just try and post whatever the women ask me to post, which isn't always sensible, organized or well defined even. I can only do so much in the time I have available for the site. Bad as it may be, some people find it useful.
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WB's site is not just a list of bodybuilders. You must do your own homework. It's a free service. Just show the proper gratitude, say "Thanks, Bill," and don't make suggestions that he do more research.
Thanks, Bill.
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WB's site is not just a list of bodybuilders. You must do your own homework. It's a free service. Just show the proper gratitude, say "Thanks, Bill," and don't make suggestions that he do more research.
Thanks, Bill.
Bravo! KARMA on the comment and thanks Bill! I said as much a couple of weeks ago.
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I've never met or contacted the man behind WB 270 but I thought his post was very straight forward as to what he does and how he responds. I found it informative and it provided a clearer background on how WB 270 works behind the site. We are all lucky to have this resource. Much appreciated Mr WB 270
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WB270, has been and still is a great source of information. I have had hours and hours of good fun based on that info. We should applaud the guy for that! I am sure he mintains the list to the best of his knowledge, and even though there are some mistakes and women who stopped wrestling quite some time ago, he still does the best he can. Thank you for that wb270!!
But today according to that list Ashley Starr, can be found in Dusseldorf AND in Amsterdam. Even though that is in theory possible, it's not very likely to be true ;-)
Heard of flights? Pretty sure Amsterdam in the morning and Dusseldorf that night makes the same day more than realistic.
Stating a listing was "not likely to be true" was supporting WB270? How is that support?
You don't even have to fly, car and train will do. It's not that far. Like I said defenitely not impossible, but not likely.
My post was more about supporting wb270
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I like the more defiant Bill on here even if it is not a conscious change.
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I would have never found or read this thread if the generically-named "Female Bodybuilding" didn't point it out to me.
I've now read all 6 pages of this thread as the thickly-muscled physique of Bella and her reasonable proximity to Dallas interested me.
I've got a problem with the title of this thread: "Do not trust WB270 site". Why? I've been doing sessions since 1996 and nearly ALL of them I'd found the session provider through wb270.
How many times have I found the wrestler wasn't who she said she was? Never. That's a pretty good ratio, I'd say, wouldn't you? :bravo:
I can't remember who, but I believe there was one email address where I never got a response from the sessionette and I asked wb270 about it, and he took down the girl because he'd said there was some issue with email - as he couldn't get responses either.
With the amount of times wb270 has personally responded to this thread yet NOT taken the profile down, there must be a reason. I've just vouched for the overall reliability of wb270's site.
So think about it...
If anyone of you would like me to go down to Houston and PERSONALLY verify Bella, please write here and we'll discuss it.
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I would have never found or read this thread if the generically-named "Female Bodybuilding" didn't point it out to me.
I've now read all 6 pages of this thread as the thickly-muscled physique of Bella and her reasonable proximity to Dallas interested me.
I've got a problem with the title of this thread: "Do not trust WB270 site". Why? I've been doing sessions since 1996 and nearly ALL of them I'd found the session provider through wb270.
How many times have I found the wrestler wasn't who she said she was? Never. That's a pretty good ratio, I'd say, wouldn't you? :bravo:
I can't remember who, but I believe there was one email address where I never got a response from the sessionette and I asked wb270 about it, and he took down the girl because he'd said there was some issue with email - as he couldn't get responses either.
With the amount of times wb270 has personally responded to this thread yet NOT taken the profile down, there must be a reason. I've just vouched for the overall reliability of wb270's site.
So think about it...
If anyone of you would like me to go down to Houston and PERSONALLY verify Bella, please write here and we'll discuss it.
Was wb270 around in 1996? What year did it begin? Although you make some very forceful arguments im not sure very many of us will take your vouch very seriously as you you have 5 posts as of now and had to dig pretty deep to find this thread. I smell someone with an agenda,
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No agenda, Duke69. I've been around on Unrealmuscle (back when they were a thing) for MANY years. If you've never heard of lort888 (Leonard Ortega) then sounds like YOU are the newbie.
I'm personal friends with Polite Society (NO that doesn't mean I am him LOL) and actually been a member here before - but lost interest. Then Saradas changed servers - and my account got lost. At one time my name was shortened to "LR" but I don't know if those posts are still here (and as I said I don't know how to search - if that's even an option).
Before Unreal I'd been on DtV (Diana the Valkyrie) for MANY MANY years and have traveled a LOT to shows over the years. Lots of folks I recognize familiar names, artax, hwillish, to name two (hwillish as well as Polite Society have met me in person).
On I think it was this thread, wb270 said he'd been around since 1993 - but my first session in 1996 was through I think AMFEM. If you don't know what that is, there's google. :funny:
I don't remember how I booked my second session - I think it was through Cheryl Harris but that's freakin 19 years ago, so I don't remember.
If you have any other questions, feel free to text me. But to pull the agenda card, that's ludicrous.
And I stated how I found this thread (the generically-named "Female Bodybuilding" alerted me to it).
Here's the thread I came from: http://saradas.org/index.php?topic=244513.0;topicseen
I'm one of the most earnest and real posters, you'll ever meet.
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Anybody who complains about a free service of any kind is generally an arse. That's my two pennies on the subject.
I couldn't agree more. Also personally, I've been using WB270.com for almost ten years ( since 2006) and I have yet to be cheated or scammed. Needless to say I'm very satisfied with the service provided by WB270. Now with that said, in any industry it is up to the buyer / consumer to do research of product before purchasing.
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Unfortunately I'm one of victims of Bella! About 20 days ago, I found her through wb270 then I emailed her for arranging a private session. She requested to to pay deposit via bitcoin, after my bitcoin payment she disappeared. She never replies my emails now. Please help!
Please ask WB270 owner to compensate your loss.
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No agenda, Duke69. I've been around on Unrealmuscle (back when they were a thing) for MANY years. If you've never heard of lort888 (Leonard Ortega) then sounds like YOU are the newbie.
I'm personal friends with Polite Society (NO that doesn't mean I am him LOL) and actually been a member here before - but lost interest. Then Saradas changed servers - and my account got lost. At one time my name was shortened to "LR" but I don't know if those posts are still here (and as I said I don't know how to search - if that's even an option).
Before Unreal I'd been on DtV (Diana the Valkyrie) for MANY MANY years and have traveled a LOT to shows over the years. Lots of folks I recognize familiar names, artax, hwillish, to name two (hwillish as well as Polite Society have met me in person).
On I think it was this thread, wb270 said he'd been around since 1993 - but my first session in 1996 was through I think AMFEM. If you don't know what that is, there's google. :funny:
I don't remember how I booked my second session - I think it was through Cheryl Harris but that's freakin 19 years ago, so I don't remember.
If you have any other questions, feel free to text me. But to pull the agenda card, that's ludicrous.
And I stated how I found this thread (the generically-named "Female Bodybuilding" alerted me to it).
Here's the thread I came from: http://saradas.org/index.php?topic=244513.0;topicseen
I'm one of the most earnest and real posters, you'll ever meet.
So many words, so little content
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Good to see you on here, Lort. I would love you to verify Bella's identity but you're likely to just waste a lot of gas.
Female Bodybuilding, in his shameful attempt to kiss up to a female bodybuilder, has besmirched a man who has helped thousands of FBB's to make money for over 20 years without asking for a dime. The numerous well know FBB's still listed on his site should more than verify his credibility.
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You speak the truth, doriteman. Cheers.
Sadly this Duke guy seems late to the party.
I've been here on and off. Sadly, as I've gotten older, I tend to lose interest when I see doubting Thomas newbies like Duke.
BTW, doriteman, I can hear your New York accent saying the word "besmirch". :bravo: You know the last time I've heard that word? Last time you said it. :clap:
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whatever wb270 say here. he ignore completly what goes on in the last years in Germany. the Problem is that he make it looking that he give an overlook about what goes on in the world about female Wrestling and mixed Wrestling. the Problem is -if they search any Country on his list they would found the wrestlers of that Country. about Germany i can say that he only promote femwrestle. femwrestle works only with female wrestlers from eastern europe. he do Events. who wanna meet real Germans who wrestle will not find them there. who wanna meet a Standing Crew of Female Wrestlers will not find them there. the Female Fightclub Berlin is known all over the world but not shown on the wb270 list. i work for the Female Fightclub Berlin. Our Position is not to beg any WB270 guy to be on his list.
what i wanna tell you here is that the wb270 is a Website like many others. use Google or Facebook or whatever to find female wrestlers but not the wb270.
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whatever wb270 say here. he ignore completly what goes on in the last years in Germany. the Problem is that he make it looking that he give an overlook about what goes on in the world about female Wrestling and mixed Wrestling. the Problem is -if they search any Country on his list they would found the wrestlers of that Country. about Germany i can say that he only promote femwrestle. femwrestle works only with female wrestlers from eastern europe. he do Events. who wanna meet real Germans who wrestle will not find them there. who wanna meet a Standing Crew of Female Wrestlers will not find them there. the Female Fightclub Berlin is known all over the world but not shown on the wb270 list. i work for the Female Fightclub Berlin. Our Position is not to beg any WB270 guy to be on his list.
what i wanna tell you here is that the wb270 is a Website like many others. use Google or Facebook or whatever to find female wrestlers but not the wb270.
Oh you poor boy, I've been ignoring you and your club. And of course you don't give a damn about wb270.com; that's why you've bought wb270.net, wb270.org and wb270.info and now they lead to your site, such as it is, in Berlin.
I probably would have listed your club if you had been patient and a little less blustery about it. But the simple truth is that I don't like dealing with women through clubs and intermediaries, and I wasn't ready to take your word about who is and isn't active in Germany or Berlin - I've found wrestling impresarios to be remarkably unreliable sources of information about their competition.
I didn't originally have much interest in listing anybody in Europe - I only get there every few years at best and rarely to Germany. But fairly early on I got requests first from English and then other European women to list them and I find it hard to say no to attractive women. I don't believe that German women who've contacted me directly have had a lot of trouble getting on wb270.com, at least if I can follow their English. My major fault is probably leaving listings up too long, rather than making it hard for women to get listed. I will say that it's fairly obvious that some of the women currently listed on wb270 as living in Germany are not native Germans, but I don't discriminate based on national origin. If you're Polish or Ukrainian or Israeli living in Germany I'm happy to list you.
I didn't want to list the club in Troisdorf, but they were polite and persistent, and some of the women already on my list, including some women in the US, asked me to list them, because they were participating in the Femwrestle events. As I said, I have trouble saying no to attractive women with muscles.
I do think that it's quite remarkable how many very nice looking women who are good wrestlers have sprung up in Hungary, and I only wish Budapest were on the East Coast of the US. Perhaps Germans would rather watch ugly women wrestle, or wrestle themselves with ugly women, but I somehow suspect that Germans prefer beautiful women too. Not that I'm knocking German women, I particularly like Diana the Natural, who has been on wb270 for a long time now. Sadly, I visited in Budapest on business around 2008, and that was just before I started getting so many beautiful Hungarian (and Czech) women to list. I do envy Berlin it's proximity to Budapest, a beautiful and friendly city, and apparently a real hot spot for beautiful wrestling women.
Finally I certainly do recommend using Google, my site gets a great many visitors from Google. I haven't figured out what Facebook is good for, however, if anything. As far as I can tell in the US kids have largely abandoned it, and it's mainly used by old men (like me) or women to find and chat a bit with the people they went to High School with back in the 50s, 60s, 70's or 80s.
Finally, I make no claim to comprehensive or definitive coverage of anywhere. I do what I have time and information to do, while generally avoiding intermediaries as much as practical.
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whatever wb270 say here. he ignore completly what goes on in the last years in Germany. the Problem is that he make it looking that he give an overlook about what goes on in the world about female Wrestling and mixed Wrestling. the Problem is -if they search any Country on his list they would found the wrestlers of that Country. about Germany i can say that he only promote femwrestle. femwrestle works only with female wrestlers from eastern europe. he do Events. who wanna meet real Germans who wrestle will not find them there. who wanna meet a Standing Crew of Female Wrestlers will not find them there. the Female Fightclub Berlin is known all over the world but not shown on the wb270 list. i work for the Female Fightclub Berlin. Our Position is not to beg any WB270 guy to be on his list.
what i wanna tell you here is that the wb270 is a Website like many others. use Google or Facebook or whatever to find female wrestlers but not the wb270.
Well said. And You deserve a lot of respect for your site and the work and dedication you put it. Your site is number one, and I m not surprised if some non desired studio are not happy for not being listed.
Oh you poor boy, I've been ignoring you and your club. And of course you don't give a damn about wb270.com; that's why you've bought wb270.net, wb270.org and wb270.info and now they lead to your site, such as it is, in Berlin.
I probably would have listed your club if you had been patient and a little less blustery about it. But the simple truth is that I don't like dealing with women through clubs and intermediaries, and I wasn't ready to take your word about who is and isn't active in Germany or Berlin - I've found wrestling impresarios to be remarkably unreliable sources of information about their competition.
I didn't originally have much interest in listing anybody in Europe - I only get there every few years at best and rarely to Germany. But fairly early on I got requests first from English and then other European women to list them and I find it hard to say no to attractive women. I don't believe that German women who've contacted me directly have had a lot of trouble getting on wb270.com, at least if I can follow their English. My major fault is probably leaving listings up too long, rather than making it hard for women to get listed. I will say that it's fairly obvious that some of the women currently listed on wb270 as living in Germany are not native Germans, but I don't discriminate based on national origin. If you're Polish or Ukrainian or Israeli living in Germany I'm happy to list you.
I didn't want to list the club in Troisdorf, but they were polite and persistent, and some of the women already on my list, including some women in the US, asked me to list them, because they were participating in the Femwrestle events. As I said, I have trouble saying no to attractive women with muscles.
I do think that it's quite remarkable how many very nice looking women who are good wrestlers have sprung up in Hungary, and I only wish Budapest were on the East Coast of the US. Perhaps Germans would rather watch ugly women wrestle, or wrestle themselves with ugly women, but I somehow suspect that Germans prefer beautiful women too. Not that I'm knocking German women, I particularly like Diana the Natural, who has been on wb270 for a long time now. Sadly, I visited in Budapest on business around 2008, and that was just before I started getting so many beautiful Hungarian (and Czech) women to list. I do envy Berlin it's proximity to Budapest, a beautiful and friendly city, and apparently a real hot spot for beautiful wrestling women.
Finally I certainly do recommend using Google, my site gets a great many visitors from Google. I haven't figured out what Facebook is good for, however, if anything. As far as I can tell in the US kids have largely abandoned it, and it's mainly used by old men (like me) or women to find and chat a bit with the people they went to High School with back in the 50s, 60s, 70's or 80s.
Finally, I make no claim to comprehensive or definitive coverage of anywhere. I do what I have time and information to do, while generally avoiding intermediaries as much as practical.
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Good to see you on here, Lort. I would love you to verify Bella's identity but you're likely to just waste a lot of gas.
Female Bodybuilding, in his shameful attempt to kiss up to a female bodybuilder, has besmirched a man who has helped thousands of FBB's to make money for over 20 years without asking for a dime. The numerous well know FBB's still listed on his site should more than verify his credibility.
Couldnt agree more. I just asked a simple question earlier in this thread and the female bodybuilding dude freaked out LMAO
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WB270 is very useful. All the girls I session with like it and like the guy who runs it.
It would be nicer if photos were kept somewhat recent. but photos can usually be found elsewhere.
Reviews are often out of date, at least as far as condition is concerned.
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I've used that site since it opened and with the man who runs it before the site opened.never had a problems with it . i'm friendly with severally lady who have had there listing taken down with out any hassle
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Thank you, wb270 :singing:
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Sessiongirls has been updated and is now quite easy and pleasant to use. There seem to be a lot more ladies there now .
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The main problem with wb270 is that they only post positive reviews and never anything negative. Even if you report a total scammer or dangerous person, it won't be published. I believe it's run by a disabled man from New England now.
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The main problem with wb270 is that they only post positive reviews and never anything negative. Even if you report a total scammer or dangerous person, it won't be published. I believe it's run by a disabled man from New England now.
Yes, because "disabled" was a crucial detail.
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The main problem with wb270 is that they only post positive reviews and never anything negative. Even if you report a total scammer or dangerous person, it won't be published. I believe it's run by a disabled man from New England now.
Yes, because "disabled" was a crucial detail.
Calm down dude. That's what Asia told me. I wasn't attempting to be mean or demeaning, just repeating what I was told.
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The main problem with wb270 is that they only post positive reviews and never anything negative. Even if you report a total scammer or dangerous person, it won't be published. I believe it's run by a disabled man from New England now.
I may be old, hell I am old, but so far I'm not disabled.
It's true that I don't post negative reviews. I have no way to vet negative reviews, and I believe that some guys are unrealistic, while a few are just downright nasty. I don't want wb270.com to be a vehicle for libeling, slandering or pressuring women. You can find out on wb270.com what guys who liked a women say about a session. I also don't post a lot of long-winded or badly written reviews. if you want you review posted on wb270.com, keep it to 100 words or less and make it about the girl, not about you.
When it comes to scammers or dangerous people, I also want to be pretty careful what I say or do, and who I believe, before I do a damn thing except ask questions. A lot of women are disappointed that I don't post anything about guys they think are just trouble, time wasters, stalkers and even dangerous. I do occasionally remove women if I'm very sure they are cheating their clients, but never before getting their side of the story. I'm not the session police, so I am usually slow and reluctant to act.
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Well... if you are the real wb270 a sincere KARMA (as they do around here) and hat tip to you for all the wonderful listings. Since the mid-2000s I met a hell of a lot gorgeous women via your listings. Saradas is the place for reviews. Your site, no.
I'm a bit older now and don't do as many sessions with FBBs as I used to. My last was about a year and a half ago. But your site, in its classic form, enabled me to meet a handful of strong, sexy and dominant ladies who love role play. And for that my sincere thanks.
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The main problem with wb270 is that they only post positive reviews and never anything negative. Even if you report a total scammer or dangerous person, it won't be published. I believe it's run by a disabled man from New England now.
I may be old, hell I am old, but so far I'm not disabled.
It's true that I don't post negative reviews. I have no way to vet negative reviews, and I believe that some guys are unrealistic, while a few are just downright nasty. I don't want wb270.com to be a vehicle for libeling, slandering or pressuring women. You can find out on wb270.com what guys who liked a women say about a session. I also don't post a lot of long-winded or badly written reviews. if you want you review posted on wb270.com, keep it to 100 words or less and make it about the girl, not about you.
When it comes to scammers or dangerous people, I also want to be pretty careful what I say or do, and who I believe, before I do a damn thing except ask questions. A lot of women are disappointed that I don't post anything about guys they think are just trouble, time wasters, stalkers and even dangerous. I do occasionally remove women if I'm very sure they are cheating their clients, but never before getting their side of the story. I'm not the session police, so I am usually slow and reluctant to act.
And thank you for your fantastic contribution to our community these many years.
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is still the best and most extensive site what concerns session offers ,but fotos included are often not attractive manner
and often out of date ...
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I logged in to this site and was greeted by the overt and slightly obnoxious "lurker" warning. I am not a frequent contributor (or taker) but felt compelled to contribute based on the tone of the note, so I will here.
The owner of the wb270 site with whom I have never had any type of interaction with, save reading his clear and concise disclaimers and guidelines is someone we should be extremely grateful for. He gives of his time and money to provide this community with an amazing service without which there would be 100 times the rip offs. He has also done it for decades gracefully and with class handling clumsy and derisive accusations such as posted above with reason and patience.
Its people like the OP who are looking for a target for their frustration that would certainly make me want to stop providing a service like his, lets hope he gets enough appreciation and doesn't allow the few to ruin it for everyone else.
The owner of WB270 owes us NOTHING. We owe him appreciation and in the case of the OP, an apology quite frankly. Stop trying to manipulate the horrible privacy and information protection trend in society to destroy the good he is doing.
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is still the best and most extensive site what concerns session offers ,but fotos included are often not attractive manner
and often out of date ...
He's not choosing the photos. He's putting up what he is sent. Hardly his problem.
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I use wb270 and sessiongirls all the time which in my opinion are the 2 best sources finding travel schedules-
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The title of this thread is absurd. Is the OP somebody's scorned wife or fiance?
Wb270, you do a wonderful job, and the girls have made me very happy over the years. The site is, and always has been, one of my favorites across the entire web.
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Right. I can't say too much for this site which has allowed me to meet some very wonderful women, beyond all expectations!
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I can`t complain about this site at all - it was & stays the main site for all contacts in the session world
and has also given me the chance to meet these mostly wonderful women ,
problems mostly result from the behavior of the sessionette and /or the client ,not the relating site
one thing finally ,you could critizise the make-up of this great site : photos of the sessionettes are not updated
at all , old & often not the best images persist for a long time
I was told that requests of changing photos are consequently refused by the admins !
what is not fair towards the women who should be able to promote themselves in best way possible
and also not towards a potential client who could be repelled by an ugly or even scary-looking photo ?!
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WB posts travel as a free service for the women and clients. They make nothing from it at all. If you want updated photos you should see if they have a sessiongirls.com profile; on this site the women admin their own profiles and can add recent photos. You can also ask them to direct you to a recent photo on social media.
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Sessiongirls is now such an awesome site that I don't understand why anyone is paying much attention to wb270. Unless it gets updated it is now an antique.
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Wb270 has been extremely useful over the years and I commend him for it. I usually check both sites. There's nothing wrong with having more than one option.
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I only trust wb270 when it comes to booking sessions.
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Wb270 has been extremely useful over the years and I commend him for it. I usually check both sites. There's nothing wrong with having more than one option.
Not all women are listed on both sites
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Wb270 has been extremely useful over the years and I commend him for it. I usually check both sites. There's nothing wrong with having more than one option.
Not all women are listed on both sites
Beat me to it. Ms Melissa seems to be a WB270 exclusive. For her alone I'd keep checking there. But I've also seen cases where women listed on both sites are shown with different travel plans. You'd think that would mean WB270 would be the one missing something since the women can update SG themselves, but sometimes it goes the other way.
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Wb270 has been extremely useful over the years and I commend him for it. I usually check both sites. There's nothing wrong with having more than one option.
Not all women are listed on both sites
Beat me to it. Ms Melissa seems to be a WB270 exclusive. For her alone I'd keep checking there. But I've also seen cases where women listed on both sites are shown with different travel plans. You'd think that would mean WB270 would be the one missing something since the women can update SG themselves, but sometimes it goes the other way.
The same goes for Lora Ottenad which is the main reason why I use WB270.
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I use both equally, and while there's lots of overlap between the two, each month one or two visiting wrestlers only appear on one and not the other.
Ripped Princess, another popular wrestler, is only on WB270.
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and Sessiongirls again just posted a fake profile smh
Too bad. I'm at the point where if she has real muscle my first thought is she is not in the US or its a fake profile. :D
Still can't figure out why anyone would waste the time. In a community as small as this and considering she is in US, Canada or the UK. Someone would find out its not her before the person who put it up could, what? Scam a few deposits???
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Wb270 way more reliable than sessiongirls. Sessiongirls known to have fake profiles. Also A sessionette told me something that she didnt list herself on session girls cause it sounds/looks way more like an escort site than wb270.
Wb270 still king.
I just came online to comment on sessiongirls.com. I like the graphics. It is a good idea. BUT they have to do a better job on fake profiles AND women who are NOT female bodybuilders, wrestlers and/or strong dominas. Some questionable profiles on that site, sad to say.
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Have any of you reported a fake profile on SG and it was not taken down with in a few days? Only the girl in the photo knows exactly for sure if the profile is real or not, has anyone reached out to her? Has she reported the fake profile and it has not been taken down? I think it is very unfair to hold SG responsible without more information and this seems like a witch hunt to me.
I think beauty is in the eye of the beholder, who is supposed to judge if a girl has enough muscle to be on the site and how could it possibly be done? Maybe we should have a panel of schomes to judge each girls profile and vote if she should be on the site and then have an appeals panel to review the first panels findings. Then a 3rd panel just in case the first 2 panels got it wrong lol. As long as a girls pictures and profile are accurate it is up to our wallets to judge if she should be on the site. Guys giving real reviews on the girls here are the best safeguard to keep the girls honest. How many of you guys who want more safeguards to protect us have went out and defended girls against allegations when you were not directly involved in a situation and had no direct knowledge about it but posted in her defense anyway. Some discussions here really go off the cliff.
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Duke69, I understand what you are saying and don't want to go down a rabbit hole on this. And any site featuring our type of ladies is welcome. But sessiongirls, on one of its opening page slides says it is for "athletic sessions " and "not escorts," as a warning. As someone who has been around a while the overwhelming majority of the ladies on it are absolutely legit. But there are some that seem to be refugees from the closing of Backpage, etc. and there are a few, whose pics at least, were used in escort ads. Some are either grossly overweight or skin & bones and not athletic at all. The value of Saradas is reviews, who is legit and who is not, etc. The wb270 and sessiongirls provide a service. But as the Ancient Romans once said, "Let the buyer beware."
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Duke69, I understand what you are saying and don't want to go down a rabbit hole on this. And any site featuring our type of ladies is welcome. But sessiongirls, on one of its opening page slides says it is for "athletic sessions " and "not escorts," as a warning. As someone who has been around a while the overwhelming majority of the ladies on it are absolutely legit. But there are some that seem to be refugees from the closing of Backpage, etc. and there are a few, whose pics at least, were used in escort ads. Some are either grossly overweight or skin & bones and not athletic at all. The value of Saradas is reviews, who is legit and who is not, etc. The wb270 and sessiongirls provide a service. But as the Ancient Romans once said, "Let the buyer beware."
Athletic sessions typically means wrestling. The woman that wrestles doesn't have to be athletic to qualify, just needs to be willing. I used to go on an old Yahoo group for session women. If you posted about an FBB or even fitness level muscle, you'd get negative comments. There's a large group of guys out there who like wrestling, but have mainstream tastes in women. They don't want athletic women. Some of them are chubby chasers. Yeah, I've seen the plus size women on Session Girls. They have reviews. Somebody paid good money to see them. A lot of regular looking women are on WB270 as well. Neither site is exclusively for us. Some of the women on both sites are also escorts. But unlike Backpage, neither site directly allows advertising those services.
Nujerz, that's just one woman's opinion. Not that she's wrong. An escort site shows scantily clad pictures, a woman's stats, a bio, and a list of services. So does a session site. WB270 and Session Girls have the exact same content. If WB270 was updated to display pictures instead of burying them as links, it'd have a similar appearance to Session Girls. Any practical distinction between the two is in her mind. It's the same clients using both, and if somebody from the outside world catches you on either, the judgement is going to be the same.
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Sessiongifrls website does a better job keeping updated than wb270 site.
I had sent the guy running wb270 site couple reviews of sessions I had. One 4 months ago & the 2nd last month. NEITHER was ever posted on wb270 website!
The same two reviews I sent to Sessiongirls website and within couple days they were posted.
And the lady I recently sessioned with said she tried couple times to have her photos updated on wb270 site. But the guy never updated her photos! And she, after a month still waiting!
If the person running the wb270 site is too busy to update he needs to "step down"!
I think waiting 4 months for an update is more than fair!
I have totally given up waisting my time emailing reviews to the Wb270 site, which :shucks
And I know it can be done because the person running Sessiongirls website does updates in a "timely manner"!
As to "fake profiles", there are those who's very good at scamming. I don't think there's anyway to totally prevent it.
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Some are either grossly overweight or skin & bones and not athletic at all. The value of Saradas is reviews, who is legit and who is not, etc. The wb270 and sessiongirls provide a service. But as the Ancient Romans once said, "Let the buyer beware."
I agree with this, but there are some women who advertise themselves as "BBWs." There are apparently guys into that. I personally think it's gross and pretty sad that they're fetishizing their extremely unhealthy bodies instead of trying to lose some weight. I do wish there was a way to just filter out all pictures of BBWs from appearing on the front page. It grosses me out to see a picture of a 500 lb. woman.
Anyway, I don't think Jennifer cares that some women are getting paid by men to have sex on her site, whether it's that upfront, or happens after a few minutes of muscle worship. She just wants to avoid trouble. We all know what happens in these sessions, and we all know every single session is sexually motivated, whether it's traditional sex or something kinkier.
The same two reviews I sent to Sessiongirls website and within couple days they were posted.
On the flip side, if it's a negative review, even a legit one, the girl is most likely friends with Jennifer and will get it removed immediately. That's why boards like this one are useful.
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Sessiongifrls website does a better job keeping updated than wb270 site.
I had sent the guy running wb270 site couple reviews of sessions I had. One 4 months ago & the 2nd last month. NEITHER was ever posted on wb270 website!
What kind of reviews were they? Were they negative reviews? I ask because I know Bill never allows negative reviews of anybody on his site even if they are true.
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Sessiongifrls website does a better job keeping updated than wb270 site.
I had sent the guy running wb270 site couple reviews of sessions I had. One 4 months ago & the 2nd last month. NEITHER was ever posted on wb270 website!
What kind of reviews were they? Were they negative reviews? I ask because I know Bill never allows negative reviews of anybody on his site even if they are true.
Both reviews were positive. Actually, I been fortunate in that I NEVER had a "negative" experience with a session. Hence, ALL reviews that I have given, either to wb270 or Sessiongirls websites were POSITIVE.
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Anyone trying to prop up sessiongirls over wb270 in terms of realiability and trust idk what to say. This thread is the only instance that I’m aware of nearly two decades of it having a fake profile..
Sessiongirls seems to a have fake profile almost every other month (exaggeration/hyperbole) but there is no comparison in that regard. Its is a FACT in the short amount of time sessiongirls has been up..it has had more fake profiles than wb270 (which has been around for almost 20 more years)..
Nevermind that some ladies don’t advertise on sessiongirls due to the site name and layout sounding/looking
more like an escort listing.
WB270 still king.
Honestly, I think Sessiongirls right has the same problems that I do on wb270, that is there seems to have been a recent surge of scammer registrations, typically accompanied by 4 or 5 pictures of absolutely gorgeous women and with some slightly curious phrases and wording similarities. I've talked a little bit to Jennifer about it and I have the impression that both of us have had to pull or reject registrations from some of the same people. I think that anybody responding to a new a new registration on either site, where the woman asks for an up front deposit for any kind of meeting, even a local meeting, by some kind of non-reversible transfer, or anonymous transfer, should be considered suspicious right now. Certainly I've had to remove several women I put up, some because they were using photos I could find on Google photos & did not respond to requests to verify the photos, and some I could not verify but were suspiciously similar. I have never tried to verify the actual names of women who post on wb270, in fact I don't even want to know them. But I will verify that the woman who sends me a photo, is the woman in the photo, if I become suspicious. I don't do credit checks and so on. If I get complaints about a deposit fraud, I'll do what I can to investigate it, but these things can devolve into a he said/she said that I can't resolve. Some women do defraud clients, and that some men do make stuff up either because they are stalking the woman or because they are pressuring a woman to do things she doesn't feel she wants to do.
I don't know what Sessiongirls specific policies are about registering women, and everybody with a website that relates to muscle sessions is a bit nervous about recent new legislation intended to stop human trafficking. I think that Sessiongirls is a damn good site and everybody here should be glad we have it. There are a lot of practical limitations to what either Sessiongirls or Wb270 can do, or should do to prevent fraud. Sessiongirls clearly costs a lot to run, but does try to bring in some revenue, and I hope they are making a profit. Wb270 has never brought in a dime and never will, it's entirely a public service fan site, so I can't afford some of the glitz and bells and whistles. I'd like to think that both sites are run pretty responsibly.
But there are obvious opportunities for both deliberate scams and what I would call business failures. By a business failure I mean that something bad happens and the session provider can't make good on her commitments. That happens to small businesses all the time. Businesses fail. Women feel that they have to get deposits to travel, or they wind up loosing money, but then they blow out their knee, or they fly across the Atlantic and get turned away by border control, which can be a financial disaster for them. So session clients have both deliberate fraud and business failure to worry about. If you buy a car from an ad online or in a newspaper and it turns out to have spent 3 weeks under water and is a total lemon, neither the website nor the newspaper is going to make you whole. It's just not practical for me, or, I think, Sessiongirls, to have a bulletproof registration process, so caveat emptor, don't give a deposit that you can't afford to write off to a learning experience.
I'm adjusting my policies and procedures a bit to try and cope. E-mail me directly if you have information about recent registrations on wb270.com, that you think you should pass on. wb270@yahoo.com
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Sessiongifrls website does a better job keeping updated than wb270 site.
I had sent the guy running wb270 site couple reviews of sessions I had. One 4 months ago & the 2nd last month. NEITHER was ever posted on wb270 website!
The same two reviews I sent to Sessiongirls website and within couple days they were posted.
And the lady I recently sessioned with said she tried couple times to have her photos updated on wb270 site. But the guy never updated her photos! And she, after a month still waiting!
If the person running the wb270 site is too busy to update he needs to "step down"!
I think waiting 4 months for an update is more than fair!
I have totally given up waisting my time emailing reviews to the Wb270 site, which :shucks
And I know it can be done because the person running Sessiongirls website does updates in a "timely manner"!
As to "fake profiles", there are those who's very good at scamming. I don't think there's anyway to totally prevent it.
You apparently sent me an email of complaint a few days ago, complaining abut the non-posted reviews and photos. When I went to find the reviews by searching for other emails from that same sender, Yahoo mail didn't find any other emails from that same sender. It might have been because they wound up in the yahoo spam folder, or because you used a different email to send them.
I don't give either reviews or photo changes/additions a particularly high priority. I'm not trying to compete with Sessiongirls as a picture site and I think that few women change dramatically every few months. My order of priority is:
1. removals - at least if the woman wants to get off quickly, which is often the case.
2. travel
3. new additions
4. reviews
5. photos
I will say that whether I use photos or reviews at all is an editorial decision I make. I am virtually certain to use a tightly written (100 words or less) review about actual wrestling (or boxing) which I see as the focus of wb270. A review that is more about you than the girl, is unlikely to be used. A wordy review about muscle worship is likely to either be edited down, or not used at all. Unless role play involves some element of real overpowering or wrestling, I may give it rather short shift. If it's a first review for a new girl I'm likely to be more tolerant. I don't think that papers run every letter to the editor, and I don't feel compelled to use every review. There are some trite phrases, such as the many variations on "do not be deceived by..." that I either edit out or I discard the whole review. And there are some things I think are just in bad taste.
I am not trying to run a photo site. I'm offended by pictures shot in a bathroom using a cellphone and a mirror. You can take a good picture with a modern cell phone but many of the pics I get are badly exposed, out of focus and poorly composed. There are pictures that I think are just in bad taste. I fancy that I run a PG13 level website. I also get many really good high quality pics, and I'm much more likely to use them. If you send me pics that are more than 1280 pixels on their longest dimension, I usually resize them, which takes time. If they are not jpegs I make them jpegs. My deal with the Valkyrie site, which hosts wb270.com, is that I don't compete with their pay muscle photo site. I am not going to add new photos or replace monthly or more than about a couple a year. I try to limit women to 8 pictures, although there are women who have pestered me into more. There are quite a number of women who would like many more pictures and want me to post new pictures every few weeks. I'm not doing that.
I'm trying to achieve something of a balance, so that one basic HTML format works reasonably well for small screen call phones with low bandwidth data service, and for people who are using a fancy iMac with a fast internet connection. Hence you always have to click on a picture to see it. I started out with a website intended for people who were mainly using a computer with a fair size screen, but most likely using something like a 9600 baud dial up modem. I want to edit a lot of things (eg reviews) for brevity to make it easy for users with small screens. And, frankly, a lot of long reviews are just embarrassingly written.
In any event, if you don't like wb270, nobody makes you use it, and if you do use it, you're getting it for free.
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Sessiongifrls website does a better job keeping updated than wb270 site.
I had sent the guy running wb270 site couple reviews of sessions I had. One 4 months ago & the 2nd last month. NEITHER was ever posted on wb270 website!
The same two reviews I sent to Sessiongirls website and within couple days they were posted.
And the lady I recently sessioned with said she tried couple times to have her photos updated on wb270 site. But the guy never updated her photos! And she, after a month still waiting!
If the person running the wb270 site is too busy to update he needs to "step down"!
I think waiting 4 months for an update is more than fair!
I have totally given up waisting my time emailing reviews to the Wb270 site, which :shucks
And I know it can be done because the person running Sessiongirls website does updates in a "timely manner"!
As to "fake profiles", there are those who's very good at scamming. I don't think there's anyway to totally prevent it.
You apparently sent me an email of complaint a few days ago, complaining abut the non-posted reviews and photos. When I went to find the reviews by searching for other emails from that same sender, Yahoo mail didn't find any other emails from that same sender. It might have been because they wound up in the yahoo spam folder, or because you used a different email to send them.
I don't give either reviews or photo changes/additions a particularly high priority. I'm not trying to compete with Sessiongirls as a picture site and I think that few women change dramatically every few months. My order of priority is:
1. removals - at least if the woman wants to get off quickly, which is often the case.
2. travel
3. new additions
4. reviews
5. photos
I will say that whether I use photos or reviews at all is an editorial decision I make. I am virtually certain to use a tightly written (100 words or less) review about actual wrestling (or boxing) which I see as the focus of wb270. A review that is more about you than the girl, is unlikely to be used. A wordy review about muscle worship is likely to either be edited down, or not used at all. Unless role play involves some element of real overpowering or wrestling, I may give it rather short shift. If it's a first review for a new girl I'm likely to be more tolerant. I don't think that papers run every letter to the editor, and I don't feel compelled to use every review. There are some trite phrases, such as the many variations on "do not be deceived by..." that I either edit out or I discard the whole review. And there are some things I think are just in bad taste.
I am not trying to run a photo site. I'm offended by pictures shot in a bathroom using a cellphone and a mirror. You can take a good picture with a modern cell phone but many of the pics I get are badly exposed, out of focus and poorly composed. There are pictures that I think are just in bad taste. I fancy that I run a PG13 level website. I also get many really good high quality pics, and I'm much more likely to use them. If you send me pics that are more than 1280 pixels on their longest dimension, I usually resize them, which takes time. If they are not jpegs I make them jpegs. My deal with the Valkyrie site, which hosts wb270.com, is that I don't compete with their pay muscle photo site. I am not going to add new photos or replace monthly or more than about a couple a year. I try to limit women to 8 pictures, although there are women who have pestered me into more. There are quite a number of women who would like many more pictures and want me to post new pictures every few weeks. I'm not doing that.
I'm trying to achieve something of a balance, so that one basic HTML format works reasonably well for small screen call phones with low bandwidth data service, and for people who are using a fancy iMac with a fast internet connection. Hence you always have to click on a picture to see it. I started out with a website intended for people who were mainly using a computer with a fair size screen, but most likely using something like a 9600 baud dial up modem. I want to edit a lot of things (eg reviews) for brevity to make it easy for users with small screens. And, frankly, a lot of long reviews are just embarrassingly written.
In any event, if you don't like wb270, nobody makes you use it, and if you do use it, you're getting it for free.
And perhaps most important:
USE THIS LIST AT YOUR OWN RISK.
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Yes he's provided the list for free for many years. Good on him and thanks for that. With sessiongirls, the ladies can upload their own photos including recent shots showing their current condition. That is if they want to do that. Sessiongirls lets reviews be posted but not immediately. I'm not sure, I guess they review the reviews somehow. I look at both sites.
Some of the girls post on one and not both. There is a Follow Travels link on Sessiongirls that will send an email alert if you are watching for a certain session provider to come to your city.
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One thing about the current rash of session scams, where a new girl pops up on wb270 and asks for a deposit on a meeting of a trip is that the guy (or guys) who have been scamming wb270 users seem to like payment via iTunes or maybe Amazon gift cards. I don't know much about either kind of card, but my guess is that once you get some magic number from the card, it's easy to turn that directly into cash, or something fungible that has cash value, without giving away your identity. I'm taking some steps to make fraudulent registrations harder or more risky, but what I am doing is not ironclad.
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I've read a number of reviews on sessiongirls and I've come to the conclusion there is no review that takes place before posting.
Yes he's provided the list for free for many years. Good on him and thanks for that. With sessiongirls, the ladies can upload their own photos including recent shots showing their current condition. That is if they want to do that. Sessiongirls lets reviews be posted but not immediately. I'm not sure, I guess they review the reviews somehow. I look at both sites.
Some of the girls post on one and not both. There is a Follow Travels link on Sessiongirls that will send an email alert if you are watching for a certain session provider to come to your city.
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If people think for themselves a bit they should not fall for scammers so easily. I would not give a deposit to a new girl that has not been reviewed. Start out for a couple of months, then you can ask for a deposit.