HerBicepsCam

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who is fon?

[jer5170]

who is fon?

Penpraghai Tiangngok

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Another Point on HB is that thier forum is more or less dead these Days. Five years ago their was a ton of activity but I personally Think that the mods killed it. Their are like rude dictators

Yep, I never really posted there, so not sure how much it's the forums being dead and how much it's the mods getting to things first. But all the posts lately are just people talking about trading cams, and Mike saying nonono, or people spamming in Russian. There were a lot of old threads on their webcams forum that got deleted (for whatever reason), but you can still find them on the webarchive.

It seems like you are more angry about the fact the girl(s) "stood you up" on Skype rather than the actual price. Send a small deposit to ensure they are online at your scheduled time.

I wasn't really angry, I figured they wouldn't show up anyway. If I sent a small deposit, they would either whine about not getting the full deposit, or take the deposit and still not show up, or possibly both. I'd rather not sit around negotiating for cam either, I'd just either take the offer or say no thanks. If I start negotiating, even if I knock down the price, the girls will just end up dicking around on cam more, sitting there typing instead of flexing, pretending she's having problems turning on her sound, etc. What pisses me off is people who are perfectly capable of working yet will go out of their way to get paid to dick around instead of getting work done. This isn't just cam girls, but also people in any office job, too.

Like I said, I'd rather go through a pimp like hbc that keeps the girls at least somewhat honest.

You might have that backwards. The girls can charge high prices or blow someone off because they know there's always other guys that are "desperate" to see them and willing to pay.

No, I think the girls are desperate, and the guys are foolish.

My favorite example is A. Young. She comes into free chat sits for a minute, then spends a half hour in one on one chat. Then she comes back to free chat and almost before you can say "hi" she is gone again.

IMO it's because she's not on every day, and she's very well known from all the pay sites unlike the newer/smaller/European/whatever else girls who come on every day with decent but not real big muscles. Same thing happens with Rene Marven, would happen if KO, Lindsey Cope, etc. came on after not being on for months or even longer.

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On a different note, has anyone actually seen AriesPower go topless? Or more generally, has anyone seen her do anything in private that she claims she'll do?

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I've given up HBC for some time now... 
It was just too expensive.  I should post to that tread about spending tons on HBC.

Also, I really only liked Thai_Thighs, and Bubbles, and Megan. 
Penpraghai Tiangngok says owners are dicks, doesn't use the site anymore. Tracy Weller is very hot and kind, but I've just moved on.
Megan Thomas - her personality was never that kind (the term "gold digger" comes to mind, most of the HBC models are like this....)

Ah, I misread that as Megan Avalon at first. I don't think Megan Thomas was that bad though in terms of gold-digging. She would never beg me to add more like all the Europeans do, and she didn't waste time typing. The only thing she would do was say "if you want topless/nude, we can go fantasy/1-on-1" but she wasn't even super pushy about that.

Tracy seems to do a lot of free flexing, not sure why. It's possible she's getting some tips in free chat, but I doubt she gets that many tips for all the flexes I've seen her do outside of private.

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I wouldn't say all "cam models" are "gold diggers"....

None of models are "gold diggers" if you understand why they are on the site in the first place, which is to make money.

The Fon content is the stuff posted from Wings of Strength, Muscletease, and Female Power

That's not really comparable to what she does on cam.

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But all the posts lately are just people talking about trading cams, and Mike saying nonono.

Who cares if he says "nonono." Many people trade.

And you are not recording, you are a fool.

I wasn't really angry, I figured they wouldn't show up anyway.

If that's the case, then why post about it?

If I sent a small deposit, they would either whine about not getting the full deposit, or take the deposit and still not show up, or possibly both. I'd rather not sit around negotiating for cam either, I'd just either take the offer or say no thanks. If I start negotiating, even if I knock down the price, the girls will just end up dicking around on cam more, sitting there typing instead of flexing, pretending she's having problems turning on her sound, etc.

Who are "the girls" that are "dicking around on cam" all the time? That's not going to happen during a Skype show. In the off chance that something like were to happened, then it would make sense let others know what the girl did and that she should be avoided.

Like I said, I'd rather go through a pimp like hbc that keeps the girls at least somewhat honest.

You go out of your way to insult the site owner, but will no doubt continue to frequent his site and make that "pimp" rich. Very "foolish" indeed.

in terms of gold-digging

Again, their are on the site to make money, so how can any of the girls be "gold-digging?" They're not there to waste time on guys hoping to "catch glimpse" in free chat. If you don't have the money to spend, don't waste your time. There's is no point.

You have to remember, you're one that sought out girls, not the other way around.

The problem is that many people seem to think the HBC is different from other cams sites for some reason. Other than the fact that girls are more muscular, it's the same as all rest. And cams sites have the same thing in common, to make money. And all the girls have one simple reason to be on a cam site - to MAKE MONEY ! ! !

To anyone that doesn't think that's the case, ask for a free show and see what happens.

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None of models are "gold diggers" if you understand why they are on the site in the first place, which is to make money.

So what? I go to work to make money too. But I don't go to work to sit around wasting time instead of getting actual work done and then beg my boss "just give me a little more money" at the end of the day. Now compare someone like Nataliya, who is there to make money, and who starts flexing when you ask her to in private, to someone like StrongMichelle, who, when you ask her to start flexing in private, will spend a few minutes saying stuff like "look ... are you ready to see my supreme power ... do you realize how strong I am ..." Assuming the chat is one-on-one, spending $20+ to watch a girl type is ridiculous. Yes, no girl on the site will be flexing every second, but while we realize it's an expensive service, when the girls just dick around, it's disrespectful and a major turnoff. I don't mind spending money as long as the girl shows some respect.

Or think of any of the girls who PM you the second you come in their room with any decent amount of money (and if you come in without much money even after you've spent a lot on them in the past, they won't even say "hi") and say "come to one-on-one and I'll do topless" and when you do go one-on-one (giving them even more money than fantasy chat) they spend 5+ minutes talking and maybe do a few clothed flexes and never take their top off. When you start pushing them, they say they're just warming up, and when you push them enough, they leave and pretend their internet went down. Is that them doing honest work for their money?

Who cares if he says "nonono." Many people trade.

I don't care. I was just describing what I see on the forums.

If that's the case, then why post about it?

I briefly mentioned it in a post when responding to someone who thought girls only charge $1/min. I elaborated a little bit when dothedammthing posted something a bit unreasonable.

Who are "the girls" that are "dicking around on cam" all the time? That's not going to happen during a Skype show. In the off chance that something like were to happened, then it would make sense let others know what the girl did and that she should be avoided.

I only indicated that I wouldn't be surprised if some of the girls were to do that. Anyway, if you want names, just think of any girl on hbc who spends any significant amount of time typing after you ask her to start flexing (pretty much any European for starters). It's usually the same people who won't turn on sound until one-on-one, who then pretend it should take 2-3 minutes to turn on sound once you're in there.

You go out of your way to insult the site owner

I didn't insult anyone.

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So what? I go to work to make money too. But I don't go to work to sit around wasting time instead of getting actual work done and then beg my boss "just give me a little more money" at the end of the day. Now compare someone like Nataliya, who is there to make money, and who starts flexing when you ask her to in private, to someone like StrongMichelle, who, when you ask her to start flexing in private, will spend a few minutes saying stuff like "look ... are you ready to see my supreme power ... do you realize how strong I am ..." Assuming the chat is one-on-one, spending $20+ to watch a girl type is ridiculous. Yes, no girl on the site will be flexing every second, but while we realize it's an expensive service, when the girls just dick around, it's disrespectful and a major turnoff. I don't mind spending money as long as the girl shows some respect.

If StrongMichelle (or any other girl) is your wasting time, don't spend anymore money on her.

Once you allow emotions of any kind into the equation, you are headed for trouble.

(and if you come in without much money even after you've spent a lot on them in the past, they won't even say "hi")

If you don't have any money spend, what is their incentive to talk to you? Just because you spent money on them in the past is meaningless. They provided a service in exchange for money, and once that transaction is complete, you are not owned anything in the future. It doesn't go any deeper than that. How is that not obvious?

I didn't insult anyone.

Yes you did. You called the site owner a "pimp," which was clearly meant as an insult.

Overall, it seems like you are angry because some of your interactions did not meet your expectations, and as result you feel "disrespected" for having both your time and money wasted. If that's the case, the simplest solution is to no longer spend your money on HBC.

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Once you allow emotions of any kind into the equation, you are headed for trouble.

Obviously there are going to be emotions involved. If there were no emotions experienced while on the site, it would get no traffic.

If you don't have any money spend, what is their incentive to talk to you? Just because you spent money on them in the past is meaningless. They provided a service in exchange for money, and once that transaction is complete, you are not owned anything in the future. It doesn't go any deeper than that. How is that not obvious?

Because them ignoring a past client (not even asking for a conversation, just a "hello") is bad business and makes future transactions less likely. And future transactions could be current transactions if the customer decides to add money on the spot to go private while chatting with her. A huge percentage of privates they get comes from PMing people and trying to seduce them to go private (whether they have a lot of money or are a past client). There's a reason the girls can see how much money you have and your VIP status. The VIPs are the ones who will likely add some money even if they came in with just $3 in their account. These girls should be operating on a greedy algorithm to make money. How is that not obvious?

Overall, it seems like you are angry because some of your interactions did not meet your expectations, and as result you feel "disrespected" for having both your time and money wasted. If that's the case, the simplest solution is to no longer spend your money on HBC.

I'm really not angry, I posted a small anecdote about the rates in a relevant thread on here, and after many replies from you and others, I elaborated. There are a few girls who have wasted my time and outright lied, and that did upset me and leave a bad taste in my mouth, but I realize that the money spent on those privates is only a fraction of overall spending on the service, so I'm not really angry. I would say the only thing that upsets me there, other than lying, is when you ask for flexing and they spend 3-5 minutes typing instead.

By the way, anywhere else, if you didn't receive what you paid for, you'd get your money back. Not that I'm asking for money here, but the simplest solution is not just to no longer spend money there.

And no, it wasn't meant as an insult.

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Overall, it seems like you are angry because some of your interactions did not meet your expectations, and as result you feel "disrespected" for having both your time and money wasted. If that's the case, the simplest solution is to no longer spend your money on HBC.

Let's not sugarcoat things here. He was obviously scammed by the girls- which isn't very hard to believe considering how pervasive their scamming is in real life- go check the private sessions section for some evidence. Getting back on topic, if he was cheated by one of those freaks, he has every right to sound off about it on here. This isn't simply a free speech issue. In fact, I would argue that he has a personal responsibility to warn other guys in the community about the girls that lie and scam. They do this about guys that act dodgy during sessions, and we will do the same here- whether or not you like it, shill.

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Let's not sugarcoat things here. He was obviously scammed by the girls- which isn't very hard to believe considering how pervasive their scamming is in real life- go check the private sessions section for some evidence. Getting back on topic, if he was cheated by one of those freaks, he has every right to sound off about it on here. This isn't simply a free speech issue. In fact, I would argue that he has a personal responsibility to warn other guys in the community about the girls that lie and scam. They do this about guys that act dodgy during sessions, and we will do the same here- whether or not you like it, shill.

None of this applies to anything I have said.

free speech issue ... a personal responsibility

We are still talking about girls stripping on cam, correct? Let's keep some perspective here.

shill

Continue to patronize HBC or don't, I could care less. It doesn't affect me in any way. If I was ever scammed by a girl, a site, etc., I would never do business with them again. Very simple.

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Because them ignoring a past client (not even asking for a conversation, just a "hello") is bad business and makes future transactions less likely.

They don't care. They know there's always someone else willing to pay.

that did upset me

So you were "upset" rather than angry, that's just a semantics. 

By the way, anywhere else, if you didn't receive what you paid for, you'd get your money back.

It seems like you keep trying to compare the HBC to an average business. It's a porn site. The girls make money by taking their clothes. Are you really surprised that some of them are dishonest?

Not that I'm asking for money here, but the simplest solution is not just to no longer spend money there.

If you feel you where cheated in some way, then it's the only solution. Don't give the girl or the site anymore money.

And no, it wasn't meant as an insult.

If you met the owner of HBC in person, would you call him a "pimp?" The answer is no, so it was meant as an insult.

Call him whatever you want, I hold no loyalty to him or his site. But to claim it wasn't meant as an insult is clearly disingenuous.

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They don't care. They know there's always someone else willing to pay.

Yeah, tell them that on the slow nights when they sit in free chat for 3 hours with maybe a few minutes of private and a couple tips and pull in less than $20. This site will never have the daily traffic that the regular webcam sites get as long as people think girls with muscle are freaks and as long as the site interface remains in the stone age.

So you were "upset" rather than angry, that's just a semantics.

So there's no difference between the two words, hahaha. Clearly anger is a stronger emotion. Wtf is "a semantics?"

It seems like you keep trying to compare the HBC to an average business. It's a porn site. The girls make money by taking their clothes. Are you really surprised that some of them are dishonest?

No. Just because the girls are crooks doesn't mean the business owners should support that and be dishonest as well.

If you met the owner of HBC in person, would you call him a "pimp?" The answer is no, so it was meant as an insult.

Call him whatever you want, I hold no loyalty to him or his site. But to claim it wasn't meant as an insult is clearly disingenuous.

Maybe, maybe not. How is that the defining characteristic of an insult? It's nothing short of the truth. The site owners take a sizeable cut from the girls, make a business by exploiting the sexuality of the girls and the impulsiveness of the guys, go to great pains to make sure the girls can't go to other sites (in fact, even try to bring in girls from some of the other cam sites) or work for themselves (e.g., via Skype), offer some protection for both the girls and the guys, and try to get the girls addicted to the site (or at least stuck there) so they can't go elsewhere (the girls get monitored on any camsite). Apparently the owners are dicks to at least some of the girls (someone mentioned Fon said that earlier in this thread). There's a reason they didn't give a damn when the site turned from admiring muscle girls into a total porn site. It brought them a lot more money, which is more important than sticking to their guns.

If you tell yourself that the girls are actually models, then I'm sorry. You say tomato, I say pimp.

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This site will never have the daily traffic that the regular webcam sites get as long as people think girls with muscle are freaks and as long as the site interface remains in the stone age.

Regardless if you are angry or upset, you seem to be quite conflicted. You refer to the girls as "freaks," but are still willing to pay to see them. That seems very odd.

Wtf is "a semantics?"

It's a typo. They happen from time to time.

Just because the girls are crooks doesn't mean the business owners should support that and be dishonest as well.

I agree. My question is why you would keep returning to a site where both the girls and the owners are "crooks?" That doesn't make any sense.

exploiting the sexuality of the girls and the impulsiveness of the guys

try to get the girls addicted to the site (or at least stuck there) so they can't go elsewhere (the girls get monitored on any camsite).

Both parties are consenting adults, so no one is being exploited. They choose to participate.

work for themselves (e.g., via Skype)

Many girls have their email addresses listed in their profiles. It's easy enough to email them and setup a Skype show.

There's a reason they didn't give a damn when the site turned from admiring muscle girls into a total porn site. It brought them a lot more money, which is more important than sticking to their guns.

Just like the girls, site owners are in it to make money. A point which you still fail to understand for some reason.

If you tell yourself that the girls are actually models, then I'm sorry.

More ambivalence on you part. You seem to view the girls with a certain amount disdain, but are still compelled to spend money on them. Again, very odd.

You say tomato, I say pimp.

Like I said, call him whatever you want. He's no friend of mine. Regardless, calling him a "pimp" was meant as an insult. I was just pointing that out.

I don't condone or endorse anything that goes on at HBC, but I do understand how it works. You can either except that or stop visiting the site. And if you have such a negative opinion of the girls, the owners, etc., why waste anymore of your time or money on it? Just put the site out of your mind and move on with your life. But therein lies the real problem, because it seems you might be the one that is "addicted" to HBC. If that's not the case, it should be no problem for you to stop frequenting the site, and thereby resolving any and all issues you have with it.

Problem solved.