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Title: DOUBLE BICEPS POSE: closed hands or open hands?
Post by: RobMash on June 24, 2015, 10:38:49 pm
More and more athletes flex the biceps with open hands...

DOUBLE BICEPS POSE: closed hands or open hands?


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Title: Re: DOUBLE BICEPS POSE: closed hands or open hands?
Post by: Sar-Net on June 25, 2015, 02:42:06 am
I personally think they should do closed hands in everything except their free posing which they should be able to do what ever they want.

Closed hands shows off the forearm muscles, many are going open hands as it makes the Biceps look slightly larger as the forearm is smaller unflexed.  So in essence open hands is a bit of cheating as they are trying to cover up a weak body part.

Its the same idea as the smaller calf muscles many sport these days.   Smaller calf muscles make the upper leg look bigger but its still a cheat in its intent to cover up a weak body part and should be severely marked down.  Besides the point when you under develop one area to cover another area you end up with two under developed muscles.  So in my opinion its pretty stupid. 

If we had a proper pro body building federation these kinds of horrors would not be here.  But alas the IFBB is a Weider promotion vehicle and not a proper body building federation.
Title: Re: DOUBLE BICEPS POSE: closed hands or open hands?
Post by: encephalon50 on June 25, 2015, 03:50:34 am
A personal "peeve" is when the thumb is put "inside,"  or under the fingers and toward the palm...like a fist but one that would allow your thumb to break if you hit something with the "fist."   :what: The whole thing looks...awkward...you know...?
Title: Re: DOUBLE BICEPS POSE: closed hands or open hands?
Post by: pumpfiction on June 25, 2015, 06:25:37 am
I personally think they should do closed hands in everything except their free posing which they should be able to do what ever they want.

Closed hands shows off the forearm muscles, many are going open hands as it makes the Biceps look slightly larger as the forearm is smaller unflexed.  So in essence open hands is a bit of cheating as they are trying to cover up a weak body part.

Its the same idea as the smaller calf muscles many sport these days.   Smaller calf muscles make the upper leg look bigger but its still a cheat in its intent to cover up a weak body part and should be severely marked down.  Besides the point when you under develop one area to cover another area you end up with two under developed muscles.  So in my opinion its pretty stupid. 

If we had a proper pro body building federation these kinds of horrors would not be here.  But alas the IFBB is a Weider promotion vehicle and not a proper body building federation.

Couldn't agree more. K+
Title: Re: DOUBLE BICEPS POSE: closed hands or open hands?
Post by: timmon on June 25, 2015, 06:49:47 am
My understanding is that the open hand bicep pose is a requirement in the Physique division, as it is supposed to be a more "feminine" way to pose. NABBA have adopted this policy between their (now defunct) Physique division ( IFBB/NCP equivalent to FBB) and Figure ( which IFBB/NCP adopted years later and call it their Physique division).

You will note that many FBB's downgrading to Physique will often "forget" and hit a clenched fist pose before reverting to the open fist variation which is a requirement in Physique. I wonder the judges ever penalise the athlete for this...

I have not observed the open fist pose used a lot in FBB contests, not more that it ever has, anyway, closed fist is still the preferred variation, and in still photo's is a major way of identifying if you are looking at an FBB or Physique competition.

I prefer closed fist, and wish Physique would allow the pose more often, but I have been surprised to see how the bicep shape can vary between athletes when switching between open and closed in the same "Hit". In many athletes, it is quite pleasing to see a transition between open to closed in the same pose, really shows off the development they have achieved, and gives a sort of transition of half power to full power with the move into clenched fist, a demonstration of muscle expansion. It allows you to take in the development and see different views and shapes = more interesting.

By the way, love the idea of Bikini, Figure and Fitness flexing Rob! But I think we will have to be happy with the back stage flexing by athletes from the non flexing side of the sport, as I feel the IFBB / NCP wish there to be an option for non flexing contests and bodybuilding meets.
Title: Re: DOUBLE BICEPS POSE: closed hands or open hands?
Post by: rigoberto on June 25, 2015, 06:59:51 pm
In bodybuilding,  CLOSED  HANDS.   :thanks:
Title: Re: DOUBLE BICEPS POSE: closed hands or open hands?
Post by: RobMash on June 26, 2015, 12:20:11 am
I'm agree with with the thought of timmon and Sar-Net
Personally I don't like this choice of IFBB and by some athletes to pose double biceps only with open hands, especially among the few  remaining female bodybuilders and physique athletes. it would take at least a transition between closed and open poses biceps. I don't understand why IFBB supposed double biceps with opne hands more "feminine", it's only less technique than double biceps with closed hands.
When there is muscles shouldn't be hidden but show with proud...
Title: Re: DOUBLE BICEPS POSE: closed hands or open hands?
Post by: Liesbeth on June 26, 2015, 05:09:10 am
At Fitness i be used on the open hand pose,  but the close hand pose shows of more details on the bicep so at BB i think closed is better
At the free posing and the routine i do some short cloded hand bi poses too because i know the judges like.
Title: Re: DOUBLE BICEPS POSE: closed hands or open hands?
Post by: Liesbeth on June 27, 2015, 05:00:13 pm
Voted for both because like both poses.  Every variation has a place to be shown.
At contest the BB girls have to shoe max power / muscle and definition,  this is the closed hand pose. But they have to shoe the guns in a feminine way to so the open hand must be shown too.  At the the others it would be great to show both too.  At fitness  or bikini maybe.both but the main has to be there the open hand pose.
A turn from open hand to closed hand pose would be a good idea too for show the change of the bicep view.

At other situations for show biceps it depends on situation,  at my dance coeografics i only show the open hand variatio in a move because it fits better andi like to show on a sexy way that i have bicep. At situations i like to show my bicep i like the closed hand pose at twisted wrist max angle with hard squezzing fist for max pop out peak and show max details of the bicep.
Often i like to do the turn from open hand to closed and always get good response.
Title: Re: DOUBLE BICEPS POSE: closed hands or open hands?
Post by: Liesbeth on July 01, 2015, 07:56:18 pm
Was not asked for!  But i guess same for single bicep pose.
 :hey:
Title: Re: DOUBLE BICEPS POSE: closed hands or open hands?
Post by: Liesbeth on July 01, 2015, 08:22:32 pm
Was not asked for!  But i guess same for single bicep pose.
 :hey:
Was thinking about because i be sure in my experience the single bicep pose is the most shown pose ever.  No matter if Fitness,  physiqye,  bikini,  BB or any other.   :shhh:
Title: Re: DOUBLE BICEPS POSE: closed hands or open hands?
Post by: faby73 on July 04, 2015, 03:26:33 pm
I strongly support closed hands, at least in body building contests. In bikini or fitness maybe open is ok also.
Title: Re: DOUBLE BICEPS POSE: closed hands or open hands?
Post by: Saradas.Org on July 08, 2015, 08:27:14 am
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Title: Re: DOUBLE BICEPS POSE: closed hands or open hands?
Post by: jstans on February 15, 2016, 09:03:55 am
A personal "peeve" is when the thumb is put "inside,"  or under the fingers and toward the palm...like a fist but one that would allow your thumb to break if you hit something with the "fist."   :what: The whole thing looks...awkward...you know...?
Same! I always cringed a bit, thinking in terms of a proper punch.
Title: Re: DOUBLE BICEPS POSE: closed hands or open hands?
Post by: posecrab on March 11, 2016, 05:06:48 am
Closed hands always.
Title: Re: DOUBLE BICEPS POSE: closed hands or open hands?
Post by: jjtjr on August 05, 2016, 02:33:25 pm
 8) Closed hands, show that power!
Title: Re: DOUBLE BICEPS POSE: closed hands or open hands?
Post by: XENOPHON on November 18, 2016, 10:39:51 pm
8) Closed hands, show that power!
:bravo:
Open hands was originally obligatory for girls so make them more 'feminine' and with the demise of Female 'Bodybuilding' in favour of 'physique' and 'figure' has  made a comeback...  it's rubbish...
Title: Re: DOUBLE BICEPS POSE: closed hands or open hands?
Post by: jg300 on November 22, 2016, 04:15:09 am
Personally, I prefer closed hands since open hands can be distracting for me. However, I like open hands enough because it gives variety to the flexing pose.
Title: Re: DOUBLE BICEPS POSE: closed hands or open hands?
Post by: papadoc1981 on November 23, 2016, 03:29:35 am
Closed hands, all day every day!!!   ;)
Title: Re: DOUBLE BICEPS POSE: closed hands or open hands?
Post by: 87fg on December 14, 2016, 04:02:36 am
I like both because there needs to variation in posing. It makes it more entertaining for the spectators.
Title: Re: DOUBLE BICEPS POSE: closed hands or open hands?
Post by: lesbianbob on December 26, 2016, 05:52:36 am
Closed hands because it makes the forearms bigger. 
Title: Re: DOUBLE BICEPS POSE: closed hands or open hands?
Post by: taedea67 on December 26, 2016, 01:13:58 pm
Personally, I prefer closed hands since open hands can be distracting for me. However, I like open hands enough because it gives variety to the flexing pose.

I kind of agree with this statement. However, it should be closed hands in posedown in both  FBB  and  Women's physique.
Title: Re: DOUBLE BICEPS POSE: closed hands or open hands?
Post by: GlennStorm on January 01, 2017, 03:58:04 am
Closed hands is the best yes, because it says POWER, whereas open hands says, strong but graceful.  There is room for both in my opinion!  I'd like to see a very detailed, close-up video of closed hand vs open hand by a girl with big peaked biceps to discuss the virtues of each pose :)
Title: Re: DOUBLE BICEPS POSE: closed hands or open hands?
Post by: wandering_flames on March 11, 2017, 01:18:18 am
close hands, it looks more powerful
Title: Re: DOUBLE BICEPS POSE: closed hands or open hands?
Post by: the street fighter on March 11, 2017, 01:56:48 am
A personal "peeve" is when the thumb is put "inside,"  or under the fingers and toward the palm...like a fist but one that would allow your thumb to break if you hit something with the "fist."   :what: The whole thing looks...awkward...you know...?

I've seen both men and women do this. I learned how to make a fist at a young age in martial arts and thought this was awkward too. 
These are the answers I've found.

According to Arnold's encyclopedia it brings out striations in the forearms and arms that are rarely otherwise seen. He also said it helps by making the pose 'flow' so there's not the shape of a thumb jutting out and detracting from the actual muscles/physique

In biceps poses, it makes the fist appear smaller, thus making the biceps look relatively larger.

Title: Re: DOUBLE BICEPS POSE: closed hands or open hands?
Post by: lesbianbob on March 11, 2017, 07:40:43 am
Open hands was only to make FBBs not seem "masculine," and basically to be in denial that women could have big muscles.