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Offline Old Surehand

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Re: Natural Bodybuilding
« Reply #15 on: September 13, 2017, 01:33:33 am »
I wouldn't be surprised if Christy R . is natural . But certainly very few fbb's are natural . But that being said Tina Lockwood is the one exception with or without stuff , had the ability to build of any woman . Tina age 19


When she decided to compete, she had to start taking drugs. No one is saying that a woman can't build acceptable muscle with training, diet and genetics. It's just a longshot for one to be able to compete in an NPC sanctioned bodybuilding or physique level show drug free and win. In fact, there are drug free girls who used to enter these shows. They didn't place well.
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Re: Natural Bodybuilding
« Reply #16 on: September 13, 2017, 02:16:31 am »
The reason supplement companies don't want to or rarely sponsor natural athletes isn't because natural athletes don't take supplements. That's one of the most ridiculous things I have ever heard

The reason supplement companies don't do that is because if they slap some juiced up whoever onto their ad and have the athlete say, or imply through advertisement, that they look that way because of the supplement, that supplement will sell.

The whole thing is a smoke and mirrors show, just like whenever someone who clearly isn't natural claims to be natural. Like Christy Resendes. Or Dana Lynn Bailey. Or Mike O'Hearn

PS you can't be a successful Olympic athlete (or athlete of any kind tbh) without taking some form of PED

Just because you've never failed a test doesn't mean you've never taken anything. That's ridiculous that people still believe that. Just like it's ridiculous when people think people in supplement ads are natural. A natual person in a supplement ad wouldn't sell shit cause natural people don't look insane the way someone on PEDs does

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Re: Natural Bodybuilding
« Reply #17 on: September 13, 2017, 02:19:01 am »
I don't care if someone juices, obviously. I just think it's ridiculous when people claim otherwise, and just furthers the ignorance of the layman on the subject. The Rock claims he tried steroids once when he was 18 but they DIDN'T WORK so stopped taking them. Who believes that? And don't let your disbelief begin and end there

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Re: Natural Bodybuilding
« Reply #18 on: September 13, 2017, 03:37:51 am »
This subject has come up before. Pumpfiction had the correct response. Rather than speculate about who might be natural and what others might have achieved without PEDs, just take a look at the competitors in the natural, 100% tested federations. They're in great shape, but they're scrawny. Particularly the female divisions, since they don't have much testosterone to work with. If they didn't label it bodybuilding, you'd think you were looking at figure or less muscular fitness women. You might find an exception, but nobody who looks like they'd be competitive in what we'd classify bodybuilding or physique, which is why we don't talk about them.

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Re: Natural Bodybuilding
« Reply #19 on: September 13, 2017, 05:25:40 pm »
I like how Barry Bonds denined he didn't take PEDs at first but that guy ballooned in a few years and cranking homeruns.
I knew he lied about it.

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Re: Natural Bodybuilding
« Reply #20 on: September 13, 2017, 11:52:54 pm »
I used to buy the Natural BB Mags, but they have not been out for a few years now. 
The girls are not as big as FBB, but they were just as ripped. 
 
What might be hurting natural BB is the Physique divisons, which allow the girls to be muscular, but not need as
much roids.        IMO a ripped/shredded Natural or Physique female is hotter than a big off season FBB.   
I don't wrestle.     

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Re: Natural Bodybuilding
« Reply #21 on: September 14, 2017, 02:16:31 am »
Tons of females are AAS-free, and at all levels of muscular development. Of course there is also plenty of usage across the board and with the greater (hardcore) usage as you move more towards the extreme end of the spectrum..meaning, the percentage using at bikini level will be much lower, along with a much higher % mild or non-androgenics at those levels where there's a stronger emphasis of female aesthetics.

Women's natural bodybuilding (which is primarily what it was pre-early 90's) was already getting tremendously popular even way back then, and with loads of mainstream contest coverage on the top sports networks ESPN & NBC. Then as the usage (sides) increased the coverage and popularity dropped WBB off map. NOT because the usage is bad or wrong necessarily, but because at that time there was no blueprint being implemented from an organizational/PR standpoint. Pretty much since Cory Everson's reign ended you've had hardcore usage thru natty all mixed up together instead of properly compartmentalized, which is precisely what created the entire judging (with placings all over the map) dilemma. And with this being the case for the last 20 yrs there's been virtually ZERO competitiveness in the "sport/art"...and it's still a pretty big cluster f*ck. This whole let's keep inching things towards more usage/sides methodology has never worked. Why? Because whenever the standard being represented goes down (for that given market) then the switch for the mainstream power grid gets pulled. Again, this does not mean that there's no place for usage or pushing the boundaries, just that until it gets properly promoted within the right structure and format then it will continue to consume itself.

Women's Natural Bodybuilding is in fact gaining popularity again...but it's called "Crossfit" The rise of Crossfit is also a primary reason why females are empowered and getting into going heavy n hard again.  Crossfit has filled the void that WBB and the political mess in the other divisions still have. The other big difference now is that real UASDA level testing will be coming into the picture, so that "tested and non-tested" shows will actually be legit.   

This notion that females cannot develop size and quality without gear is one of the common misconceptions. The basic hypertrophy process is still the same with or without. The AAS just accelerates the process and aids in recovery. Just like with men, women have different genetics for muscle growth...some naturally grow like weeds..ala a Christy Resendes, Holland Canter, Shawna Walker, etc. While it's true that women only have trace amounts of test compared to men they have 3 times the amount of natural GH. This is why there are women who can get major gains while still maintaining their fem aesthetics, and often those genetic attributes go together.



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Re: Natural Bodybuilding
« Reply #22 on: September 14, 2017, 03:45:28 am »
You think Shawna Walker is or was natural? It's not even a discussion if you believe that, it's you being insane. There's also nothing natural about crossfit athletes, male or female. Jesus

Women can "put on muscle", but like kristifigure on © Saradas s.com. Not like Christy Resendes. Not like Shawna Walker.

If there is a genuinely natural woman that actually has really great, across the board development, and doesn't have one area where you think "wow she has pretty big ________" she would probably look a lot like a dude out the gate.

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Re: Natural Bodybuilding
« Reply #23 on: September 14, 2017, 04:11:01 am »
Hey some will always believe anyone with development is  "on"....but that's simply not the reality. Even plenty of old time strong women (pre-steroids) were crossfit sized and nowadays training methods and nutrition/supplementation methods have evolved and become far more efficient. Plenty of fem bodybuilders of the 80's were also crossfit size. That's simply what a hardcore trained female can attain naturally. Like I said, as the real testing comes into the picture it will reveal even more about what the truth is. All I can say is that if you think all Xfit women are "on" then you're sadly mistaken.

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Re: Natural Bodybuilding
« Reply #24 on: September 14, 2017, 04:14:30 am »
Every single high level one is. Full stop. No question

And those old school FBBs you're talking about also had about two or three times the bodyfat, and so were the same "size" like if you took their measurements, but were living in a completely different way.

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Re: Natural Bodybuilding
« Reply #25 on: September 14, 2017, 04:24:42 am »
Well that's your opinion, but it's way off. Of course some natty females will get more of a Kristifigure/ McLish physique based on their geneticts and training methods, others are genetically thicker and/or train more specifically for size. Also keep in mind that many women bikini/fit/fig have also been training 'down' for fear of getting "too big" ...but, since that entire mindset is changing less and less fear that and so are training for size.

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Re: Natural Bodybuilding
« Reply #26 on: September 14, 2017, 04:30:28 am »
Nah guy you're just living in a lot more reasonable dreamworld than some of the fullblown mental cases on here that think an FBB eclipses a male BB when standing next to them.

More reasonable. Still a dreamworld.

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Re: Natural Bodybuilding
« Reply #27 on: September 14, 2017, 04:48:19 am »
Now with that I completely agree. No a trained female (gear or not) will absolutely not be at a trained male's development level, but you should also use that same rational thinking re: this other issue.

Here's the top Xfit female along side a fit tv host, do you suspect she's "on" as well? She's clearly at least close in development and doesn't even train specifically for size. I realize it may be hard for some guys to believe females can get Xfit+ jacked all natty, but they most definitely can...






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Re: Natural Bodybuilding
« Reply #28 on: September 14, 2017, 04:58:37 am »
Yes that crossfitter juices when she trains, if she's, and I quote "the top Xfit female". You can see her traps and HGH gut pretty clearly even when she's 100% relaxed, in what is almost definitely her offseason, and not with any kind of pump. How about show her comp or workout pics? Margie Martin not all puffed up doesn't look that big, but when she hits a pose...

It's also not a guarantee that a TV show host isn't on anything (HGH is literally everywhere now) cause her shoulders look pretty suspect.

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Re: Natural Bodybuilding
« Reply #29 on: September 14, 2017, 05:02:49 am »
"Crossfit jacked" is pretty nebulous. Do I think a woman can look the way they do at competitions, or do what they do in training, completely natural? Of course not that's ridiculous

Do I think a natural woman can have similar measurements as someone who is crossfit jacked? Sure, probably in some cases

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