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Title: HerBicepsCam
Post by: irilitj on March 21, 2010, 07:49:38 pm
hi everyone,

I've got a question about the site herbicepscam, I'd like to know if anyone of you have had any problems with "additional" payments or so - any scamming-risk associated with the site?

And generally what you're impression is as a user who has paid. Are the models most often willing to go nude, or not?   ::)

Thank you and looking forward to your answers!


Title: Re: herbicepscam
Post by: maximus1174 on March 22, 2010, 01:29:17 am
Never noticed being scammed.  as for the models..I have experienced about 50-60% go topless.  You can usually tell byt he price per minute.  6.99 or 7.99 for 1 on 1 will go topless or nude.   Hope that helps....
Title: Re: herbicepscam
Post by: zapanelas on April 12, 2010, 10:20:03 am
hi everyone,

I've got a question about the site herbicepscam, I'd like to know if anyone of you have had any problems with "additional" payments or so - any scamming-risk associated with the site?

And generally what you're impression is as a user who has paid. Are the models most often willing to go nude, or not?   ::)

Thank you and looking forward to your answers!




Herbicepscam has been  troublesome, for me anyway.

Its the only website that i ever had issues with payments.

At first it was ok,but suddenly they started to reject all my credit cards.(notice that this was only site i had problems with my credit cards.)
 I emailed them about it, and they said that they experienced some fraud problems with some users,specially from Africa,so they blocked a lot of other countries around the world including part of Europe.(this guyz need a world map ASAP !and a high school degree too)
 They checked me and said i had done several payments before,and was a good costumer,it had nothing to do with me,they just blocked my country,and asked me to add funds via Paypal.

they said it would take 2 to 3 days for the money to be added this away.
As soon as i payed $100 i never heard from them again .
 6 weeks of unanswered emails and complains,so i Reported them to MasterCard for Fraudulent website.And they added the funds after that.


So, answering to your question: "any scamming-risk associated with the site?" I would say: Yeah,big time!
in my book when a website does something like this and only adds the funds after being reported to a major corporation like Mastercard,yep it counts has a scam.

Ultimately:
I was a costumer  a of hbcam for a while and i guess that if u can pay with ur credit card(the funds will be added immediately) you should be fine.
 But if u need to do it any other way,think twice u might regret it like i did.

Anyway, hope nobody else was to experience that.Hope it helps.
Title: Re: herbicepscam
Post by: bnasty on April 24, 2010, 04:12:25 am
ive never had any problems and have used them extensively....prices suck and there are supposed rules but some girls will go further than others and the price seems irrevelent in my experience....the girls that charge the max are simply the greediest.
Title: Re: herbicepscam
Post by: motenak on April 24, 2010, 06:30:48 am
ive never had any problems and have used them extensively....prices suck and there are supposed rules but some girls will go further than others and the price seems irrevelent in my experience....the girls that charge the max are simply the greediest.
I agree with everything above including the most important part, IMO:  the girls that charge the max are simply the greediest.
Title: Re: herbicepscam
Post by: dastex1971 on July 15, 2011, 02:35:12 am
Never had any issues with payments. Occasionally after I buy a time block an error message shows up on the home page, but as soon as the page recycles I've always been credited the full amount.
Problem is it can really chew up your cash in a hurry. For that reason I hardly ever go one on one as thats usally about $6 per minute.
The girls that Ive found to be the most relaxed and willing to show some T&A have been Debbie B, Emery Miller (freaky), Nuryie, Marika and HotItalian. They will all drop their tops and bottoms at the drop of a hat!
I've not been able to get Aleesha Young to show anything more than her arms so dont waste your one on one cash with her. She's nice but way too expensive
Title: Re: herbicepscam
Post by: shanghai on July 15, 2011, 10:44:22 am
I visite sometime and I never have probleme...

But some women are not nice and play with time ...
Title: Re: herbicepscam
Post by: cash000 on July 22, 2011, 11:00:28 pm
I've had mostly positive but mixed results with HBcam.

I've had trouble adding funds once or twice but it's normally ok.

I've been ripped off a couple of times by certain models, the worse being Rebekka K who basically stole my money by ignoring me in fantasy chat so she could  reply to her emails and then just cut me off.

Emery is great and so is Marja, Kris Clark too but the best by far for me is Lisa K. The woman is just crazy, will literally do anything and is so intense.

At the moment I'm gagging for Colette G to come on, even though I've heard she's a bit crap she's top of my webcam want list.
Title: Re: herbicepscam
Post by: jake5142 on July 22, 2011, 11:06:26 pm
I payed tons of minutes there, always with my credit card, but last time, I did it by paypal, 200 hundred deposit, and NEVER GOT THE FUNDS TO TALK TO THE GIRLS.
I asked Mike lot of times, tons of emails, and never got a positive answer, even an answer.

 Cant understand this, cause I was a 200 hundred per week client, ISNT THAT ENOUGH MONEY, to take care of your client?

I am so dissapointed with this situation, and I dont have any chance to get those credits back
Title: Re: herbicepscam
Post by: cash000 on July 22, 2011, 11:11:19 pm
Hang on? You spent brought $200!! on funds  and never got them??

That's hardly small change, have you considered legal action? Or at least the threat of it.
Title: Is HerBicepsCam down?
Post by: Jeeby on April 06, 2012, 08:53:56 pm
I just tried visiting HBC. Is anybody else unable to visit?
Title: Re: Is HerBicepsCam down?
Post by: s13envy on April 06, 2012, 09:18:01 pm
nope but it looks like they are having issues. none of the profile pics load for me...or maybe thats just me?
Title: To be "Kicked" from HBC
Post by: pikko on January 10, 2013, 04:49:58 am
Hi,
tonite I was be kicked by a girl on HBC. What does it mean exactly? The girl was new for me, and I don't remember her nickname. May "kicked" people on HBC are not allowed to see girl after kicking them off?

Please, clarify me.
Thanks!
Bye
Title: Re: To be "Kicked" from HBC
Post by: ss123 on January 10, 2013, 05:05:12 am
FIRST !! lol

Not sure about HBC but most sites, chat hosts has ability to kick people off their chat and you could be banned from that particular chat room or host for unspecified amount of time.

You probably did something to annoy them enough to kick you off. Though, I've seen some chat hosts kick people off just leeching off free cams and not spending $$$.
Title: Re: To be "Kicked" from HBC
Post by: gordonlloyd on January 10, 2013, 01:56:43 pm
I wouldnt worry about it -- if you are kicked out of the room I dont think it is a total ban with your IP address stopping you from going back again -- you probably said something to annoy the performer or were sitting there with no money for too long so they got you out and viewed you as a leech.  My guess is you can go back again and they probably wont remember you unless you have some stupid name.
Title: Re: To be "Kicked" from HBC
Post by: katka11 on January 10, 2013, 02:23:40 pm
Sorry, but that is wrong. They have the option to kick you off and bann you forever from their profile.
Some of them so that when you beg for free flexes. But some of them are really strange. Oana Hreapca kicked me off when I was in her chatroom as a "voyeur" - so I was obviously paying, but that didn´t matter to her. She just kicked me off and since them I don´t have access to her profile anymore. The only thing you can do is to create a new account.
Title: Re: To be "Kicked" from HBC
Post by: nujerz84 on January 10, 2013, 04:33:17 pm
I just started doing Cam more..though after spending $$ last nite I will chill on doing that...I think your best bet is to make sure you have some credits when going in a room.  If you dont keep it short and polite.
Title: Re: To be "Kicked" from HBC
Post by: pikko on January 10, 2013, 07:40:27 pm
Thanks to all.
Yes I think that she has banned me because she offered me to enter from free to pay chat, but I said that I haven't any money to do that.
The strange thing is that I was in chat with her only few minutes asking only about her nationality, not leeching for free performances of any kind.
But no problem, I'm allowed to enter in the site and to visit the other girls.
Only a little pity because that girl was really beatiful!!!!
Bye bye
Title: Re: To be "Kicked" from HBC
Post by: dooshbag on January 11, 2013, 04:12:24 am
ok u dont get kicked in voyour usually wat happens is wen a person finishes their private in premium chat they automatically go casue u cant talk to them, so therefore u get taken off cause ur only "peeking" so to spk and therefore the person who has paid the full amount in the chat gets the call so wen he finishes u finish as well but im sure next time u log on u can her profile
Title: Re: To be "Kicked" from HBC
Post by: ollie703 on January 13, 2013, 11:13:33 am
I can't access HBC at all. Never been a member so no idea why. The only one possibility is I once made an 'appointment' and never kept it. Would that explain it? :shucks
Title: Re: To be "Kicked" from HBC
Post by: nujerz84 on January 14, 2013, 02:45:15 am
I think the comparison I can make is that web cam is a lot like the strip club.  The ladies in cam and strip club are there to make money.  If your at a strip club making it rain and popping bottles (showing your spending money) the ladies will flock to you and get a private room with them etc afterwards they got paid short thank you off merry way they go (lol though I did get a stripper # number smh)

In cam it pretty much the same as ladies will be more cool to customers with credits.  However unlike strippers many ladies are cool and know they have repeat client/customers  and build friendly/cordial relationships so it does not make sense nor is it right for them to be rude or mean.

Though sadly no one is perfect so they will have bad days and unfortunately you may have some who have attitude issues regardless.  Just don't be freeloader tip if u have credits if you don't keep it short and polite common courtesy goes a long way.

The sooner we recognize this the better you understand how it goes.
Title: Re: To be "Kicked" from HBC
Post by: jer5170 on January 14, 2013, 06:46:50 am
Trust me, on cams one word makes all the difference in the world: compliments
You don't have to have money to be nice.
A lot of the time models have there guards up for trolls, and beggers/freeloaders.
I have been in many rooms where someone wrecks the mood by constantly asking for free stuff, they ask weird personal questions,
or they are rude to the model just trying to rouse a reaction.
The model either bans the person, or leaves all together.

In my 2 years of watching cams, I've been banned only once by a model.
(sometimes the site bans me for connection problems, but I just turn my browser off and on to fix that)
I tried to tell a joke, but I was new to the room, and I got banned after that.
I'm sure everyone has been there - tried to be funny, but the joke totally backfires and kind of sound like I was trying to be mean.
(ok, the model was about to do a sybian show, and I asked if she had gotten the sybian on Craigslist)
I was banned for 12 hours, but now I hear models can ban you for 60 days, or even permanently, depending on the site.
Title: Re: To be "Kicked" from HBC
Post by: joe6345 on February 02, 2013, 10:05:34 pm


I have never been banned and Have talked to Oana numerous times. I had one fantasy chat with oana and her sister juiletta fit and it was amazing!!!!!!!!!

Baby girl brazilian is nice but I get a lousy connection but otherwise what a body.
Title: Re: To be "Kicked" from HBC
Post by: nujerz84 on February 13, 2013, 04:53:30 pm
Also sometimes the connection with the lady webcam acts up and disconnects so you get kicked out the room accidently.
Title: Herbicepscam Goes Wild
Post by: galloguille on April 15, 2013, 12:10:30 am
Hi, this site ask me for my personal data wich I'm not confortable giving, but it doesnt say how they bill you

also, I don't understand how much cost

but I would like to have the experiencie and record something also
Title: Re: Herbicepscam, how to pay
Post by: jer5170 on April 15, 2013, 03:57:20 am
Hi, this site ask me for my personal data wich I'm not confortable giving, but it doesnt say how they bill you

also, I don't understand how much cost

but I would like to have the experiencie and record something also
Ok, I will explain in 3 parts to what your wondering about Herbicepscam:
1. You have to give some information to sign up for the site.
This is where you choose a user name, and give an email address.  Then you confirm it to become a member.

2. Now you can access "How's online", and you can see women that are "In free chat!"
In free chat they normally just sit there, and talk.  Some flex a little.

However, if you want to pay three are four options to by cedit in US $: (it's safe to give a credit card to purchase credit)
$25 deposit -- no deposit bonus

$50 deposit -- 5% deposit bonus ($2.50)

$75 deposit -- 10% deposit bonus ($7.50)

$100 deposit -- 15% deposit bonus ($15.00)
Then you can go into:)
   1. "In Premium chat" or "Be a Voyeur!" (Premium is where they flex) (Normal rates are $4 for Premium chat, and $2.50 for Voyeur)
        (where you can only watch in Voyeur, and not type. The Voyeur option is usually half the rate, but every girl's rate is different.)
         And there has to already be a member in Premium to go Voyeur. )
   
   2. "Fantasy chat" or "Be a Voyeur!"  - (Fantasy is where they topless/nude) (Normal rates are $6 for Fantasy, and $4 for Voyeur)
        (where you can only watch in Voyeur, and not type. The Voyeur option is usually half the rate, but every girl's rate is different.)
         (And there has to already be a member in Fantasy to go Voyeur. )

   3. "One on One Chat" - (This is where they do what you want.)  Nobody else can see this chat, but usually is $8 a minute.


3. To record video and audio, is a whole other mess onto itself.

You just need to find a good "screen capture program".

I use the worst one out there - Hypercam 2 - it's the only one I've used.
It takes a poorer quality video, and the size of the files are huge.
(I've been introduced to other software, but haven't taken the time to find, download, and figure how to use them.)
Title: Re: Herbicepscam, how to pay
Post by: galloguille on April 15, 2013, 04:38:10 am

Oh thanks =)

Still what I cant understand is: once I introduce my personal data, there a choose credit card and charge credit?

About capturing, I'm using CamStudio, its decent, but it deforms the image a little, i think because of the codec or something
Title: Re: Herbicepscam, how to pay
Post by: jer5170 on April 15, 2013, 04:46:12 am
I don't know exactly what happens when you're new to the site.
I'm pretty sure it doesn't charge you right away.
That the lowest dollar amount that you can start off with is $25.
It's just been a long while since I've been a new member.
Title: Re: Herbicepscam, how to pay
Post by: gubbi.gubbi33 on April 15, 2013, 11:02:24 am
I was surprised to find this right at the top, I had wanted to ask about it as well.  Do they offer payment to the site through paypal?  I remember I was able to subscribe up for herbiceps with paypal, but this was more than five years ago. 
Title: Re: Herbicepscam, how to pay
Post by: jer5170 on April 15, 2013, 01:24:15 pm
No, they don't offer Paypal payments.
Title: Re: Herbicepscam, how to pay
Post by: randy312 on April 15, 2013, 01:56:42 pm
to Shadow and gallo, a good recording software is Bandicam, the free version will let you record up to 10 minutes free, then you just have to restart the recording, file size is nice and recording quality is excellent , easy to resize windows, I kick myself for not finding it earlier, great program
Title: Re: Herbicepscam, how to pay
Post by: Maxturbator on April 18, 2013, 05:41:21 pm
You can use paypal, its no problem. Only thing is they can add funds few days later.
Title: Re: Herbicepscam, how to pay
Post by: grossbar on April 18, 2013, 10:36:18 pm
I use applian media catcher , works well and quality is good
Title: Herbicepscam Goes Wild
Post by: Polite Society on August 17, 2013, 05:03:34 pm
 Can regulars to the Herbicepscam site (the ones who pay rather than leech)  indicate when it became open season for sex acts in fantasy for performers?
   I've visited two rooms where previously 'reserved' models were happy to demonstrate their love of fellatio and more.
   Not complaining, just a sign I guess that camming times are hard.
   
Title: Re: Herbicepscam Goes Wild
Post by: MM2K on August 18, 2013, 02:55:47 pm
These reserved models who all of a sudden became wild - are they all fbbs, or are some of them figure and physique competitors?
Title: Re: Herbicepscam Goes Wild
Post by: Polite Society on August 18, 2013, 03:42:07 pm
These reserved models who all of a sudden became wild - are they all fbbs, or are some of them figure and physique competitors?

   What does it matter?
Title: Re: Herbicepscam Goes Wild
Post by: GetIt on August 19, 2013, 05:52:35 pm
They changed their rules a couple years ago.
Title: Re: Herbicepscam Goes Wild
Post by: randy312 on August 19, 2013, 10:18:57 pm
I ran across one that I was surprised to see in the act with a male. It's not common but there are definitely a few that will spice things up :)
Title: Re: Herbicepscam Goes Wild
Post by: MuscleSpunter on August 20, 2013, 11:20:06 pm
From my experience the change started around  2008/2009  and has escalated since then. 

I don't see anything wrong with it, to each their own.   My bigger concern is why more and more models look 2 - 3x more muscular in their photos than on cam.
Title: Re: Herbicepscam Goes Wild
Post by: randy312 on August 21, 2013, 12:04:24 am
^^^ Agreed with Muscle up above, so many girls on there that have little or no muscle or the pics they have up are terribly outdated, I dont want to mention any names, but you will know when you visit the rooms after seeing the profile pics
Title: Re: Herbicepscam Goes Wild
Post by: deerfott on August 21, 2013, 03:15:25 am
I've visited two rooms where previously 'reserved' models were happy to demonstrate their love of fellatio and more.

Feel free to post the cams.

I ran across one that I was surprised to see in the act with a male. It's not common but there are definitely a few that will spice things up :)

Again, feel free to post the cams.
Title: Re: Herbicepscam Goes Wild
Post by: MM2K on August 22, 2013, 03:20:49 am
These reserved models who all of a sudden became wild - are they all fbbs, or are some of them figure and physique competitors?

   What does it matter?

1. I am interested in figure and phsyique competitors and to a lesser extent some bikini competitors. Im not interested in fbbs.

2. Figure and physique competitors in general tend to be more reserved than fbbs in general.
Title: Re: Herbicepscam Goes Wild
Post by: Collector Jones on September 13, 2013, 04:35:26 pm
@ffliction is one of the performers we're talking about here, right?

Feel free to mention others you're discovered, using some clever spelling to keep it on the down low. (@, $, *, etc.)
Title: Re: Herbicepscam Goes Wild
Post by: dothedammthing on September 13, 2013, 05:54:28 pm
These cam girls must all be getting real desperate. Well charging a $1 per minute is not the way to go about it. I wouldn't throw a penny their way!
Title: Re: Herbicepscam Goes Wild
Post by: Female Bodybuilding on September 13, 2013, 06:55:39 pm
These cam girls must all be getting real desperate. Well charging a $1 per minute is not the way to go about it. I wouldn't throw a penny their way!

They don't charge $1 per minute at least $5 - $10 per minute.





Title: Re: Herbicepscam Goes Wild
Post by: qwqw on September 14, 2013, 03:03:53 pm
These cam girls must all be getting real desperate. Well charging a $1 per minute is not the way to go about it. I wouldn't throw a penny their way!

They don't charge $1 per minute at least $5 - $10 per minute.

Yeah, there's really no difference in the cost of a webcam session and the cost of an actual session it seems. No idea what their cut is to be fair. Though the couple times one of them tried to get me to do it on Skype, they wanted at least $400/hour.
Title: Re: Herbicepscam Goes Wild
Post by: qwqw on September 14, 2013, 03:21:37 pm
I remember when butt3rfly, or whatever her new nick is, wouldn't even kiss her biceps in premium. Can't remember if she wanted fantasy or one-on-one for that. After a while, she started being less reserved and doing topless in fantasy, which was fine with me. These days, the few times she's been in free, all she wants to do is get naked and pleasure herself with a toy. It's probably near impossible to get her in premium just flexing. A number of other girls are in similar situations. I guess these girls' "careers" are even more short-lived than they anticipated.

There are some girls on the site that work there because they're friends with someone who was already on hbc, and they don't really wanna get "wild," but some of the guys try to push them past their limits, and they're too desperate to say no.
Title: Re: Herbicepscam Goes Wild
Post by: dothedammthing on September 16, 2013, 07:45:56 am
one of them tried to get me to do it on Skype, they wanted at least $400/hour.

LOL, all those roids must be getting into their heads!
If they asked me $400 to get on cam, I would tell them to go fuck themselves with a knife. I wouldn't even pay that much for a physical session.
More guys are smartening up to their trickers, they will eventually get the message.
Title: Re: Herbicepscam Goes Wild
Post by: qwqw on September 16, 2013, 03:12:34 pm
Well it was only for half an hour each, one asked me for $200 and one asked me for $350 haha. Probably even more if you have to also pay a fee on Paypal to transfer the money. Of course, they never even showed up. That's the problem with 20 somethings, especially on the weekends... they make a bunch of promises, then decide to go out and get drunk or whatever and not show up. That's what I don't get about these girls... even if you say "show up at this time and take my money," they won't even show up. Aren't they desperate to get some money?

Glad I decided not to take the risk and send them any money. Guess it's better to go through a pimp like hbc and keep them honest.
Title: Re: Herbicepscam Goes Wild
Post by: fbbluvr13 on September 18, 2013, 03:58:13 am
Seems like Angie Salvagno, Oana, and some others are never in free chat
Title: Re: Herbicepscam Goes Wild
Post by: qwqw on September 18, 2013, 04:27:58 am
Angela has been in free a bit more lately.
Title: Re: Herbicepscam Goes Wild
Post by: deerfott on October 30, 2013, 02:40:06 am
Well it was only for half an hour each, one asked me for $200 and one asked me for $350

You can negotiate the price if you think it's too high. Most of the time Skype shows are far less on a "per minute" basis when compared to HBC. Plus the girls get to keep all the money. Also, they are usually willing to show / do a lot more on Skype.

they make a bunch of promises, then decide to go out and get drunk or whatever and not show up. That's what I don't get about these girls... even if you say "show up at this time and take my money," they won't even show up.

It seems like you are more angry about the fact the girl(s) "stood you up" on Skype rather than the actual price. Send a small deposit to ensure they are online at your scheduled time.

Aren't they desperate to get some money?

You might have that backwards. The girls can charge high prices or blow someone off because they know there's always other guys that are "desperate" to see them and willing to pay.
Title: Re: Herbicepscam Goes Wild
Post by: deerfott on October 30, 2013, 02:52:13 am
Seems like Angie Salvagno, Oana, and some others are never in free chat

I will never understand these "free chat" posts. They are on HBC to make money, so they're not going to waste time in free chat when are others willing to pay.

How is possible that there are still people that don't understand that?

If they cut their prices in half, I would be inclined to go more often and to stay longer, chatting and asking questions... It would be more fun IMHO

Why would they ever "cut their prices in half" when clearly people are willing pay the current rates? Again, they are there to make money. If you are not on HBC to spend money, why waste your time? You will only end up disappointed.

I'm not saying the prices are fair, but that's the way it is.
Title: Re: Herbicepscam Goes Wild
Post by: Warhawk Overdrive on October 31, 2013, 04:45:32 am
It depends on your way of looking at things.
You have some women who are always in pay chat. I can understand that. If you are a lady and you  sit in free chat you are going to have to deal with about four or five different types of guys. 1. They don't say anything. 2. The guy who constantly tell her how good she looks. 3. The guy who only talks about what he would do to her if could her alone. 4. The guy who tries to talk to her as if he really cares how her day went. 5. "PM me"
I can see a lady sitting in free chat for a few days of that then just going into pay chat forever.

But here is a question. What is it about a few of the women on webcam who come into free chat all the time but never stay because someone grabs them into one-on-one?? Is it because they don't come on cam that often?? Is it because of what they do in private chat?

It almost seems like these few women are getting something easy that other women have to work for. My favorite example is A. Young. She comes into free chat sits for a minute, then spends a half hour in one on one chat. Then she comes back to free chat and almost before you can say "hi" she is gone again. How is it she can come into free chat and still make money, while the other lady who is always in pay chat (to make money) is sitting by herself? (I've tried to do voyeur chat a few times and it would not let me in. I guess because no one was in pay chat with her and you can't do voyeur chat unless someone is already there with her)

How does that happen??
Title: Re: Herbicepscam Goes Wild
Post by: achilleus on October 31, 2013, 11:34:37 pm
The girls who hide in pay chat usually stay alone in pay chat.

I also dont understand how they do it, but some women can build up tension in free chat. So long until one of the guests looses his nerves and goes pvt. Then a few other voyers follow.

Examples are bullet proof or SexyNSmart. They never fail to entertain. Top of them all sPECtacular: she is a tough talker yet smart, can handle loads of compliments with the same ease as aggressive macho guys or stupid comments. Makes sure who is the boss in the room. IN addition there is something aggressive sexual around her, very adult entertainment. I have the feeling thats exactly what makes the guys jump her room.
Title: Re: Herbicepscam Goes Wild
Post by: jer5170 on November 02, 2013, 03:58:09 pm
I've given up HBC for some time now... 
It was just too expensive.  I should post to that tread about spending tons on HBC.

Also, I really only liked Thai_Thighs, and Bubbles, and Megan. 
Penpraghai Tiangngok says owners are dicks, doesn't use the site anymore. Tracy Weller is very hot and kind, but I've just moved on.
Megan Thomas - her personality was never that kind (the term "gold digger" comes to mind, most of the HBC models are like this....)
I found other HD content of Fon and Tracy that is way better than anything I saw on HBC...
(FYI - myfreecams.com - is a much better site, tons of hot women (even muscular ones), and gives the models half of their tips)

As for the topic of HBC going "hardcore" I have some proof....
I recently joined Herbiceps (the site) (it's a steal for how much content you get for $12 a month).
I found the model - Brie Eubanks - or, Affliction on HBC....
Someone posted these previews on another forum, and I can tell are from HBC.  I would die for these videos, and she is still active on HBC too:
(Besides Bella from Shemuscle, she is one of the hottest woman of muscle to go "hardcore".)

These videos do exist, but I'm still looking to find the actual content...
Enjoy the previews, and I DON'T HAVE THESE VIDEOS!
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Title: Re: Herbicepscam Goes Wild
Post by: samusaran on November 02, 2013, 04:44:14 pm
i love brie so much. hopefully the vids pop up
Title: Re: Herbicepscam Goes Wild
Post by: dothedammthing on November 03, 2013, 03:55:17 am
Lol @ herbicepcam shills posting on this thread. Pathetic, just like your shitty site.
Title: Re: Herbicepscam Goes Wild
Post by: deerfott on November 04, 2013, 06:07:17 am
What is it about a few of the women on webcam who come into free chat all the time but never stay because someone grabs them into one-on-one?? Is it because of what they do in private chat?

Yes

My favorite example is A. Young. She comes into free chat sits for a minute, then spends a half hour in one on one chat. Then she comes back to free chat and almost before you can say "hi" she is gone again.

She's not going to spend time in free chat when people are willing to go one on one. There are some guys that are obsessed with her for whatever reason.

(the term "gold digger" comes to mind, most of the HBC models are like this....)

Why else would they be on the site? Do you think women work at strip clubs because they like talking to the guys there? Obviously, the answer is no. They are there for the money, just like the girls on HBC.

It's about the money, period.

I found other HD content of Fon and Tracy that is way better than anything I saw on HBC...

You found HD content of Fon and Tracy nude, masturbating, etc?  If so, feel free to post it.
Title: Re: Herbicepscam Goes Wild
Post by: jer5170 on November 05, 2013, 04:46:00 am
I wouldn't say all "cam models" are "gold diggers"....
Both Tracy Weller and Fon were always willing to stay in free chat until someone took them private.
In fact, my 3 favorite cam models from other sites talked a lot about their lives, various subjects, and are very intelligent.

As for content:
The Fon content is the stuff posted from Wings of Strength, Muscletease, and Female Power - all those videos have already been posted.
Tracy Weller's content is from other sites too that I've got from other users.
(Although, I do have a video of each of them that is really good, and tons of cams of each.  I might post them in the future.)
Title: Re: Herbicepscam Goes Wild
Post by: samusaran on November 05, 2013, 04:48:45 am
who is fon?
Title: Re: Herbicepscam Goes Wild
Post by: jer5170 on November 05, 2013, 04:53:13 am
who is fon?
Penpraghai Tiangngok
Title: Re: Herbicepscam Goes Wild
Post by: qwqw on November 07, 2013, 08:10:57 pm
Quote from: pbo4muscle
Another Point on HB is that thier forum is more or less dead these Days. Five years ago their was a ton of activity but I personally Think that the mods killed it. Their are like rude dictators

Yep, I never really posted there, so not sure how much it's the forums being dead and how much it's the mods getting to things first. But all the posts lately are just people talking about trading cams, and Mike saying nonono, or people spamming in Russian. There were a lot of old threads on their webcams forum that got deleted (for whatever reason), but you can still find them on the webarchive.

It seems like you are more angry about the fact the girl(s) "stood you up" on Skype rather than the actual price. Send a small deposit to ensure they are online at your scheduled time.

I wasn't really angry, I figured they wouldn't show up anyway. If I sent a small deposit, they would either whine about not getting the full deposit, or take the deposit and still not show up, or possibly both. I'd rather not sit around negotiating for cam either, I'd just either take the offer or say no thanks. If I start negotiating, even if I knock down the price, the girls will just end up dicking around on cam more, sitting there typing instead of flexing, pretending she's having problems turning on her sound, etc. What pisses me off is people who are perfectly capable of working yet will go out of their way to get paid to dick around instead of getting work done. This isn't just cam girls, but also people in any office job, too.

Like I said, I'd rather go through a pimp like hbc that keeps the girls at least somewhat honest.

You might have that backwards. The girls can charge high prices or blow someone off because they know there's always other guys that are "desperate" to see them and willing to pay.

No, I think the girls are desperate, and the guys are foolish.

Quote from: Warhawk Overdrive
My favorite example is A. Young. She comes into free chat sits for a minute, then spends a half hour in one on one chat. Then she comes back to free chat and almost before you can say "hi" she is gone again.

IMO it's because she's not on every day, and she's very well known from all the pay sites unlike the newer/smaller/European/whatever else girls who come on every day with decent but not real big muscles. Same thing happens with Rene Marven, would happen if KO, Lindsey Cope, etc. came on after not being on for months or even longer.
Title: Re: Herbicepscam Goes Wild
Post by: qwqw on November 07, 2013, 08:17:46 pm
On a different note, has anyone actually seen AriesPower go topless? Or more generally, has anyone seen her do anything in private that she claims she'll do?
Title: Re: Herbicepscam Goes Wild
Post by: qwqw on November 08, 2013, 01:17:56 am
I've given up HBC for some time now... 
It was just too expensive.  I should post to that tread about spending tons on HBC.

Also, I really only liked Thai_Thighs, and Bubbles, and Megan. 
Penpraghai Tiangngok says owners are dicks, doesn't use the site anymore. Tracy Weller is very hot and kind, but I've just moved on.
Megan Thomas - her personality was never that kind (the term "gold digger" comes to mind, most of the HBC models are like this....)

Ah, I misread that as Megan Avalon at first. I don't think Megan Thomas was that bad though in terms of gold-digging. She would never beg me to add more like all the Europeans do, and she didn't waste time typing. The only thing she would do was say "if you want topless/nude, we can go fantasy/1-on-1" but she wasn't even super pushy about that.

Tracy seems to do a lot of free flexing, not sure why. It's possible she's getting some tips in free chat, but I doubt she gets that many tips for all the flexes I've seen her do outside of private.
Title: Re: Herbicepscam Goes Wild
Post by: deerfott on November 14, 2013, 07:22:27 am
I wouldn't say all "cam models" are "gold diggers"....

None of models are "gold diggers" if you understand why they are on the site in the first place, which is to make money.

The Fon content is the stuff posted from Wings of Strength, Muscletease, and Female Power

That's not really comparable to what she does on cam.


Title: Re: Herbicepscam Goes Wild
Post by: deerfott on November 14, 2013, 07:58:30 am
But all the posts lately are just people talking about trading cams, and Mike saying nonono.

Who cares if he says "nonono." Many people trade.

And you are not recording, you are a fool.

I wasn't really angry, I figured they wouldn't show up anyway.

If that's the case, then why post about it?

If I sent a small deposit, they would either whine about not getting the full deposit, or take the deposit and still not show up, or possibly both. I'd rather not sit around negotiating for cam either, I'd just either take the offer or say no thanks. If I start negotiating, even if I knock down the price, the girls will just end up dicking around on cam more, sitting there typing instead of flexing, pretending she's having problems turning on her sound, etc.

Who are "the girls" that are "dicking around on cam" all the time? That's not going to happen during a Skype show. In the off chance that something like were to happened, then it would make sense let others know what the girl did and that she should be avoided.

Like I said, I'd rather go through a pimp like hbc that keeps the girls at least somewhat honest.

You go out of your way to insult the site owner, but will no doubt continue to frequent his site and make that "pimp" rich. Very "foolish" indeed.

in terms of gold-digging

Again, their are on the site to make money, so how can any of the girls be "gold-digging?" They're not there to waste time on guys hoping to "catch glimpse" in free chat. If you don't have the money to spend, don't waste your time. There's is no point.

You have to remember, you're one that sought out girls, not the other way around.

The problem is that many people seem to think the HBC is different from other cams sites for some reason. Other than the fact that girls are more muscular, it's the same as all rest. And cams sites have the same thing in common, to make money. And all the girls have one simple reason to be on a cam site - to MAKE MONEY ! ! !

To anyone that doesn't think that's the case, ask for a free show and see what happens.



Title: Re: Herbicepscam Goes Wild
Post by: qwqw on November 14, 2013, 03:56:44 pm
Quote from: hotheat
None of models are "gold diggers" if you understand why they are on the site in the first place, which is to make money.

So what? I go to work to make money too. But I don't go to work to sit around wasting time instead of getting actual work done and then beg my boss "just give me a little more money" at the end of the day. Now compare someone like Nataliya, who is there to make money, and who starts flexing when you ask her to in private, to someone like StrongMichelle, who, when you ask her to start flexing in private, will spend a few minutes saying stuff like "look ... are you ready to see my supreme power ... do you realize how strong I am ..." Assuming the chat is one-on-one, spending $20+ to watch a girl type is ridiculous. Yes, no girl on the site will be flexing every second, but while we realize it's an expensive service, when the girls just dick around, it's disrespectful and a major turnoff. I don't mind spending money as long as the girl shows some respect.

Or think of any of the girls who PM you the second you come in their room with any decent amount of money (and if you come in without much money even after you've spent a lot on them in the past, they won't even say "hi") and say "come to one-on-one and I'll do topless" and when you do go one-on-one (giving them even more money than fantasy chat) they spend 5+ minutes talking and maybe do a few clothed flexes and never take their top off. When you start pushing them, they say they're just warming up, and when you push them enough, they leave and pretend their internet went down. Is that them doing honest work for their money?

Quote from: hotheat
Who cares if he says "nonono." Many people trade.

I don't care. I was just describing what I see on the forums.

Quote from: hotheat
If that's the case, then why post about it?

I briefly mentioned it in a post when responding to someone who thought girls only charge $1/min. I elaborated a little bit when dothedammthing posted something a bit unreasonable.

Quote from: hotheat
Who are "the girls" that are "dicking around on cam" all the time? That's not going to happen during a Skype show. In the off chance that something like were to happened, then it would make sense let others know what the girl did and that she should be avoided.

I only indicated that I wouldn't be surprised if some of the girls were to do that. Anyway, if you want names, just think of any girl on hbc who spends any significant amount of time typing after you ask her to start flexing (pretty much any European for starters). It's usually the same people who won't turn on sound until one-on-one, who then pretend it should take 2-3 minutes to turn on sound once you're in there.

Quote from: hotheat
You go out of your way to insult the site owner

I didn't insult anyone.
Title: Re: Herbicepscam Goes Wild
Post by: deerfott on November 14, 2013, 10:11:10 pm
So what? I go to work to make money too. But I don't go to work to sit around wasting time instead of getting actual work done and then beg my boss "just give me a little more money" at the end of the day. Now compare someone like Nataliya, who is there to make money, and who starts flexing when you ask her to in private, to someone like StrongMichelle, who, when you ask her to start flexing in private, will spend a few minutes saying stuff like "look ... are you ready to see my supreme power ... do you realize how strong I am ..." Assuming the chat is one-on-one, spending $20+ to watch a girl type is ridiculous. Yes, no girl on the site will be flexing every second, but while we realize it's an expensive service, when the girls just dick around, it's disrespectful and a major turnoff. I don't mind spending money as long as the girl shows some respect.

If StrongMichelle (or any other girl) is your wasting time, don't spend anymore money on her.

Once you allow emotions of any kind into the equation, you are headed for trouble.

(and if you come in without much money even after you've spent a lot on them in the past, they won't even say "hi")

If you don't have any money spend, what is their incentive to talk to you? Just because you spent money on them in the past is meaningless. They provided a service in exchange for money, and once that transaction is complete, you are not owned anything in the future. It doesn't go any deeper than that. How is that not obvious?

I didn't insult anyone.

Yes you did. You called the site owner a "pimp," which was clearly meant as an insult.

Overall, it seems like you are angry because some of your interactions did not meet your expectations, and as result you feel "disrespected" for having both your time and money wasted. If that's the case, the simplest solution is to no longer spend your money on HBC.
Title: Re: Herbicepscam Goes Wild
Post by: qwqw on November 14, 2013, 11:31:39 pm
Once you allow emotions of any kind into the equation, you are headed for trouble.

Obviously there are going to be emotions involved. If there were no emotions experienced while on the site, it would get no traffic.

If you don't have any money spend, what is their incentive to talk to you? Just because you spent money on them in the past is meaningless. They provided a service in exchange for money, and once that transaction is complete, you are not owned anything in the future. It doesn't go any deeper than that. How is that not obvious?

Because them ignoring a past client (not even asking for a conversation, just a "hello") is bad business and makes future transactions less likely. And future transactions could be current transactions if the customer decides to add money on the spot to go private while chatting with her. A huge percentage of privates they get comes from PMing people and trying to seduce them to go private (whether they have a lot of money or are a past client). There's a reason the girls can see how much money you have and your VIP status. The VIPs are the ones who will likely add some money even if they came in with just $3 in their account. These girls should be operating on a greedy algorithm to make money. How is that not obvious?

Overall, it seems like you are angry because some of your interactions did not meet your expectations, and as result you feel "disrespected" for having both your time and money wasted. If that's the case, the simplest solution is to no longer spend your money on HBC.

I'm really not angry, I posted a small anecdote about the rates in a relevant thread on here, and after many replies from you and others, I elaborated. There are a few girls who have wasted my time and outright lied, and that did upset me and leave a bad taste in my mouth, but I realize that the money spent on those privates is only a fraction of overall spending on the service, so I'm not really angry. I would say the only thing that upsets me there, other than lying, is when you ask for flexing and they spend 3-5 minutes typing instead.

By the way, anywhere else, if you didn't receive what you paid for, you'd get your money back. Not that I'm asking for money here, but the simplest solution is not just to no longer spend money there.

And no, it wasn't meant as an insult.
Title: Re: Herbicepscam Goes Wild
Post by: dothedammthing on November 15, 2013, 02:40:58 am
Overall, it seems like you are angry because some of your interactions did not meet your expectations, and as result you feel "disrespected" for having both your time and money wasted. If that's the case, the simplest solution is to no longer spend your money on HBC.

Let's not sugarcoat things here. He was obviously scammed by the girls- which isn't very hard to believe considering how pervasive their scamming is in real life- go check the private sessions section for some evidence. Getting back on topic, if he was cheated by one of those freaks, he has every right to sound off about it on here. This isn't simply a free speech issue. In fact, I would argue that he has a personal responsibility to warn other guys in the community about the girls that lie and scam. They do this about guys that act dodgy during sessions, and we will do the same here- whether or not you like it, shill.
Title: Re: Herbicepscam Goes Wild
Post by: deerfott on November 15, 2013, 03:39:00 am
Let's not sugarcoat things here. He was obviously scammed by the girls- which isn't very hard to believe considering how pervasive their scamming is in real life- go check the private sessions section for some evidence. Getting back on topic, if he was cheated by one of those freaks, he has every right to sound off about it on here. This isn't simply a free speech issue. In fact, I would argue that he has a personal responsibility to warn other guys in the community about the girls that lie and scam. They do this about guys that act dodgy during sessions, and we will do the same here- whether or not you like it, shill.

None of this applies to anything I have said.

free speech issue ... a personal responsibility

We are still talking about girls stripping on cam, correct? Let's keep some perspective here.

shill

Continue to patronize HBC or don't, I could care less. It doesn't affect me in any way. If I was ever scammed by a girl, a site, etc., I would never do business with them again. Very simple.


Title: Re: Herbicepscam Goes Wild
Post by: deerfott on November 15, 2013, 04:24:22 am
Because them ignoring a past client (not even asking for a conversation, just a "hello") is bad business and makes future transactions less likely.

They don't care. They know there's always someone else willing to pay.

that did upset me

So you were "upset" rather than angry, that's just a semantics. 

By the way, anywhere else, if you didn't receive what you paid for, you'd get your money back.

It seems like you keep trying to compare the HBC to an average business. It's a porn site. The girls make money by taking their clothes. Are you really surprised that some of them are dishonest?

Not that I'm asking for money here, but the simplest solution is not just to no longer spend money there.

If you feel you where cheated in some way, then it's the only solution. Don't give the girl or the site anymore money.

And no, it wasn't meant as an insult.

If you met the owner of HBC in person, would you call him a "pimp?" The answer is no, so it was meant as an insult.

Call him whatever you want, I hold no loyalty to him or his site. But to claim it wasn't meant as an insult is clearly disingenuous.
Title: Re: Herbicepscam Goes Wild
Post by: qwqw on November 15, 2013, 03:50:45 pm
They don't care. They know there's always someone else willing to pay.

Yeah, tell them that on the slow nights when they sit in free chat for 3 hours with maybe a few minutes of private and a couple tips and pull in less than $20. This site will never have the daily traffic that the regular webcam sites get as long as people think girls with muscle are freaks and as long as the site interface remains in the stone age.

So you were "upset" rather than angry, that's just a semantics.

So there's no difference between the two words, hahaha. Clearly anger is a stronger emotion. Wtf is "a semantics?"

It seems like you keep trying to compare the HBC to an average business. It's a porn site. The girls make money by taking their clothes. Are you really surprised that some of them are dishonest?

No. Just because the girls are crooks doesn't mean the business owners should support that and be dishonest as well.

If you met the owner of HBC in person, would you call him a "pimp?" The answer is no, so it was meant as an insult.

Call him whatever you want, I hold no loyalty to him or his site. But to claim it wasn't meant as an insult is clearly disingenuous.

Maybe, maybe not. How is that the defining characteristic of an insult? It's nothing short of the truth. The site owners take a sizeable cut from the girls, make a business by exploiting the sexuality of the girls and the impulsiveness of the guys, go to great pains to make sure the girls can't go to other sites (in fact, even try to bring in girls from some of the other cam sites) or work for themselves (e.g., via Skype), offer some protection for both the girls and the guys, and try to get the girls addicted to the site (or at least stuck there) so they can't go elsewhere (the girls get monitored on any camsite). Apparently the owners are dicks to at least some of the girls (someone mentioned Fon said that earlier in this thread). There's a reason they didn't give a damn when the site turned from admiring muscle girls into a total porn site. It brought them a lot more money, which is more important than sticking to their guns.

If you tell yourself that the girls are actually models, then I'm sorry. You say tomato, I say pimp.
Title: Re: Herbicepscam Goes Wild
Post by: deerfott on November 21, 2013, 06:31:38 am
This site will never have the daily traffic that the regular webcam sites get as long as people think girls with muscle are freaks and as long as the site interface remains in the stone age.

Regardless if you are angry or upset, you seem to be quite conflicted. You refer to the girls as "freaks," but are still willing to pay to see them. That seems very odd.

Wtf is "a semantics?"

It's a typo. They happen from time to time.

Just because the girls are crooks doesn't mean the business owners should support that and be dishonest as well.

I agree. My question is why you would keep returning to a site where both the girls and the owners are "crooks?" That doesn't make any sense.


exploiting the sexuality of the girls and the impulsiveness of the guys

try to get the girls addicted to the site (or at least stuck there) so they can't go elsewhere (the girls get monitored on any camsite).

Both parties are consenting adults, so no one is being exploited. They choose to participate.

work for themselves (e.g., via Skype)

Many girls have their email addresses listed in their profiles. It's easy enough to email them and setup a Skype show.

There's a reason they didn't give a damn when the site turned from admiring muscle girls into a total porn site. It brought them a lot more money, which is more important than sticking to their guns.

Just like the girls, site owners are in it to make money. A point which you still fail to understand for some reason.

If you tell yourself that the girls are actually models, then I'm sorry.

More ambivalence on you part. You seem to view the girls with a certain amount disdain, but are still compelled to spend money on them. Again, very odd.

You say tomato, I say pimp.

Like I said, call him whatever you want. He's no friend of mine. Regardless, calling him a "pimp" was meant as an insult. I was just pointing that out.

I don't condone or endorse anything that goes on at HBC, but I do understand how it works. You can either except that or stop visiting the site. And if you have such a negative opinion of the girls, the owners, etc., why waste anymore of your time or money on it? Just put the site out of your mind and move on with your life. But therein lies the real problem, because it seems you might be the one that is "addicted" to HBC. If that's not the case, it should be no problem for you to stop frequenting the site, and thereby resolving any and all issues you have with it.

Problem solved.






Title: Re: Herbicepscam Goes Wild
Post by: qwqw on November 21, 2013, 03:37:14 pm
You refer to the girls as "freaks,"

Wow... no. I clearly referenced the fact that most people think they're freaks.

Both parties are consenting adults, so no one is being exploited. They choose to participate.

I said exploited, not forced. They "can't go elsewhere" in the sense that the longer they stick around on the site, the more difficult it will be for them to get a real job. When they try to find a job with a 2 or 5 year gap on their resume, they'll be essentially unemployable. The "monitored" parenthetical refers to them talking about things like Skype on cam.

Many girls have their email addresses listed in their profiles. It's easy enough to email them and setup a Skype show.

No shit, Holmes. But I've seen people ask them in free chat many times about Skype, and they say they're not allowed to talk about that there. If they do respond, they start saying things like "sk ype," presumably because it's against the rules to advertise Skype sessions on hbc.

Just like the girls, site owners are in it to make money. A point which you still fail to understand for some reason.

Where did I say their choice to go after the money instead of sticking to admiring muscle girls was despicable??? You really like to find intent where there is none.

More ambivalence on you part. You seem to view the girls with a certain amount disdain, but are still compelled to spend money on them. Again, very odd.

The fact that I don't view them as models doesn't mean I look upon them with disdain. There are a few who are legitimate models. But that doesn't mean I think all the cam girls who strip for a few bucks are actually models. And that doesn't mean I think they're pathetic people.

Like I said, call him whatever you want. He's no friend of mine. Regardless, calling him a "pimp" was meant as an insult. I was just pointing that out.

I don't condone or endorse anything that goes on at HBC, but I do understand how it works. You can either except that or stop visiting the site. And if you have such a negative opinion of the girls, the owners, etc., why waste anymore of your time or money on it? Just put the site out of your mind and move on with your life. But therein lies the real problem, because it seems you might be the one that is "addicted" to HBC. If that's not the case, it should be no problem for you to stop frequenting the site, and thereby resolving any and all issues you have with it.

Problem solved.

Cool, call it an insult again. Maybe I'll believe you the next time you say it. I know what I said, and I know what I meant by it. It was not intended as an insult.

I don't hate all the girls on the site. The vast majority of them I have no problem with. There are a few who are crooks and make promises only to steal your money. I guess you don't have a problem with having your money stolen, as long as it only happens at most once per person you do business with. Then you'll just cut your losses instead of trying to solve the problem.
Title: Re: Herbicepscam Goes Wild
Post by: maxim on December 02, 2013, 06:13:57 pm
 :hey: if you want to see muscle - real hardcore beautiful biceps, pecs and back - look for IRONFIRE - the MUSCLETALK and BIG SEXY BICEP QUEEN. the best for muscletalk, beauty and brawn - all in ONE! email for herbicepcam appts. Her info is on the Herbicepscam website.  :tongue:

Also doing live sessions - look for her schedule on www.wb270.com IRON FIRE
Title: Re: Herbicepscam Goes Wild
Post by: qwqw on December 02, 2013, 08:12:59 pm
lol I'll look for her on there if I want to hear her yelling at people
Title: Re: Herbicepscam Goes Wild
Post by: deerfott on December 05, 2013, 05:22:49 am
lol I'll look for her on there if I want to hear her yelling at people

"maxim" is Lindsay.
Title: Re: Herbicepscam Goes Wild
Post by: deerfott on December 05, 2013, 05:35:20 am
No shit, Holmes. But I've seen people ask them in free chat many times about Skype, and they say they're not allowed to talk about that there. If they do respond, they start saying things like "sk ype," presumably because it's against the rules to advertise Skype sessions on hbc.

Like I said, you can email them about Skype.

Cool, call it an insult again. Maybe I'll believe you the next time you say it. I know what I said, and I know what I meant by it. It was not intended as an insult.

Please explain how it wasn't meant as an insult.

It should be interesting to read your explanation.
Title: AmazonGlam on HBC
Post by: uli97 on January 02, 2014, 09:57:59 am
I haven't tried the site out yet but I'm willing to purchase 50$ worth of credits. Honestly, I'm only interested in Amazonglam; where I think I'm just going to go into a 1-on-1 session, I heard they were expensive but at least I'll be in command.

Has anyone done a session with her? and if so, please share your experience...

I think the one-on-one rate is 7.99$/min(average) which means ill get a little over 6mins, do you think its worth it?

If she truly looks like the image below then 6mins would  be absolutely heavenly!

(http://thumbnails111.imagebam.com/29839/d8a29d298386474.jpg) (http://www.imagebam.com/image/d8a29d298386474)
Title: Re: AmazonGlam on HBC
Post by: overheadliftfan on January 02, 2014, 01:06:55 pm
she is somewhere between angela salvagno & andrea thiel. I've never heard of her before but she looks impressive
Title: Re: AmazonGlam on HBC
Post by: uli97 on January 07, 2014, 12:59:48 pm
Gotta admit she looked better on her DP

Nonetheless, she was awesome! not as defined as I'd hoped, overall, a 6.1/10 rating as given to her by HBC which seems quite appropriate!
Title: HBC gripe
Post by: jalo000 on February 21, 2014, 09:54:56 pm
Does anyone else get annoyed by the fact the the models stay in premium chat? I mean I see an amazing profile pic and then you go in to check them out and they don't look even near what the profile pic is and then I hope out and HBC charges  for the split second you go in.  Or you go in and there is NO MODEL what so ever and you wait at $4.00/min and still no one.  I find that really annoying.  Anyone else? Only one that has the power to do it is probably Angie cuase she's in awesome shape all the time.
Title: Re: HBC gripe
Post by: qwqw on February 22, 2014, 01:33:55 am
That's better than the girls who spend several minutes typing "yes let me show you my super muscles" and never flex when you ask them to
Title: Re: HBC gripe
Post by: qwqw on February 22, 2014, 02:09:18 am
Actually I don't really mind it. You're talking about losing < $1. That's nothing compared to the amount that gets spent on these girls. It's usually pretty easy to know which of them to avoid anyway.
Title: Re: HBC gripe
Post by: jalo000 on February 23, 2014, 08:03:05 am
Who would you favorites be?
Angie is great, so is Emery.
Bubbles is awesome anyone else?
Title: Re: To be "Kicked" from HBC
Post by: Peweua on March 17, 2014, 05:01:14 pm
I just started doing Cam more..though after spending $$ last nite I will chill on doing that...I think your best bet is to make sure you have some credits when going in a room.  If you dont keep it short and polite.

Can the girls on HBC see my exakt amout of $ on the account or can they just see if it's over or under a specific "level"?
Title: Re: To be "Kicked" from HBC
Post by: qwqw on March 17, 2014, 05:18:35 pm
They can see how much you have and whether you're VIP or not.
Title: Angie Salvagno on HBC
Post by: fbbluvr13 on March 31, 2014, 03:17:47 am
Is she ever in free chat or does she only sit in premium chat waiting for people to hop in?
Title: Re: To be "Kicked" from HBC
Post by: bukefal75 on April 06, 2014, 02:38:47 pm
M i the only one who noticed that there are some new *i would say amateur* girs who are kicking user without credits , their chat room is constantly empty 
Title: Re: Herbicepscam Goes Wild
Post by: kjhub on May 04, 2014, 06:23:12 am
Sorry to interrupt the conversation, but I wanted to make a quick note:

I'm almost convinced that StrongMichelle is a fake profile on HBC.  If you watch the free chat there's never any expression, personality shown, or reaction to any comment; the outfits she wears never seem to vary;  she always sends private messages as soon as you log into her profile and requests money (tip or fantasy chat); the profile information is quite incorrect (if it is Mahaela Catalina Ginta); and finally, when she is taken private, she never seems to directly or specifically comply with any requests.

It appears that someone has assumed Mahaela Catalina Ginta's identity (with or without her approval) and is using it as an automated profile, with looped video, to chat and request money. 

It's all very peculiar, but I would simply suggest that the site owner check it out.

Thanks,
KJ
Title: Re: Herbicepscam Goes Wild
Post by: qwqw on May 04, 2014, 07:24:16 am
I didn't know that was her name, but she's not a fake profile. She does try to milk you dry... never even says hi in free unless you come with the most money in the room, in which case she PMs you and almost begs for private. If you take her private, she does flex etc. but she also wastes a lot of time.

She also changes what her stats are going to be all the time. Sometimes she's 23, sometimes 25. Sometimes she has 15" biceps, sometimes it's more like 17". Sometimes she can curl 50, sometimes it's 80, etc.
Title: Re: Herbicepscam Goes Wild
Post by: kjhub on May 15, 2014, 10:22:02 pm
UPDATE:  I spoke to StrongMichelle on HBCam again, and it seems she is real after all. We had a good chat about some of the reasons why her chatting seemed so peculiar. And she also explained why she hadn't completed the video I bought. It turns out that she had recently injured herself.  We talked a little about respect and trust, and she promised that she would get my video to me right away.  She is very nice to chat with, and seems very friendly and down to earth, and for the moment, it seems that she plans to rectify my concerns.  I'll keep you all informed.

Thanks,
KJ
Title: Re: Herbicepscam Goes Wild
Post by: qwqw on May 16, 2014, 02:32:53 am
probably playing you. I stopped in her free chat for a minute the other day, and she was begging some guy to give her a bunch of $20 tips. not much different from the "plz just add one more time" spiel. I'm guessing that chat of yours came in premium, if not one-on-one
Title: Mia at Herbiceps cam
Post by: jadefoot on June 02, 2014, 06:44:42 am
Anyone spend some time with this asian gal at Herbiceps? She doesn't have much info at all in her profile.

(http://thumbnails112.imagebam.com/33051/8cf67e330502065.jpg) (http://www.imagebam.com/image/8cf67e330502065)

 :dance:
Title: Re: Angie Salvagno on HBC
Post by: st1fler on June 08, 2014, 11:41:38 pm
Is she ever in free chat or does she only sit in premium chat waiting for people to hop in?

She will go in free chat once in a while but not very often.  You get new girls who don't even look like they have ever touched a weight getting privates constantly.  Then you have Angela who is arguably the best looking FBB around who will sit in free chat for an hour getting 0 privates.
Title: Re: Angie Salvagno on HBC
Post by: deerfott on June 09, 2014, 04:49:45 am
You get new girls who don't even look like they have ever touched a weight getting privates constantly.  Then you have Angela who is arguably the best looking FBB around who will sit in free chat for an hour getting 0 privates.

People are always looking for what's new.
Title: Re: Mia at Herbiceps cam
Post by: Absfetish1 on July 19, 2014, 07:01:29 am
Anyone spend some time with this asian gal at Herbiceps? She doesn't have much info at all in her profile.

(http://thumbnails112.imagebam.com/33051/8cf67e330502065.jpg) (http://www.imagebam.com/image/8cf67e330502065)

 :dance:
Title: Re: Mia at Herbiceps cam
Post by: randy312 on July 21, 2014, 07:30:53 pm
She's one of the nicest, most down to earth girls there. Went pvt with her a few times, will go full nude, but not terribly explicit. Great conversation, just a sweetheart, one of  my very favorites, will leave you with a smile every time.
Title: Re: Herbicepscam Goes Wild
Post by: jbkelly on July 22, 2014, 06:36:28 pm
Yeah, StrongMichelle is a huge bummer.  When she first started on HBC, she duped me into spending probably around $100 chatting with her with a view towards setting up an in-person session.  Of course when I e-mailed her I got no response.  And when I went back on the webcam to ask her if she got my e-mail, she again tried to get me to spend lots of time chatting with her to set up a session.  When I e-mailed her after, again no response  More recently, I went back into her room to see if she would show off her strength with some heavy dumbbell curls in private.  She said she had 50lb dumbbells and would curl them, but she needed to get warmed up first with some lighter ones.  She did that, delayed some more, and before I knew it I had spent $30 and still not seen my request.  I left and vowed not to return to her room.  Why she makes a practice of misleading and alienating her customers I have no idea.  If she actually put on a good show and didn't spend her whole time scamming, I'd be happy to spend money in her room.  She's young, attractive, and built like an absolute brick house (and, if she is to be believed, mind-bogglingly strong).  But she seems to have trouble providing an honest show - too bad.   
Title: Re: Herbicepscam Goes Wild
Post by: randy312 on July 22, 2014, 09:32:25 pm
Agreed on Michelle. I have done a couple pvts with her, she is upfront about not doing nudity, and that's a good thing, but I still would not recommend her, just tries to squeeze money out of you.
Title: Re: Herbicepscam Goes Wild
Post by: FemFlexUSA on September 12, 2014, 05:34:14 pm
Maybe, maybe not. How is that the defining characteristic of an insult? It's nothing short of the truth. The site owners take a sizeable cut from the girls, make a business by exploiting the sexuality of the girls and the impulsiveness of the guys, go to great pains to make sure the girls can't go to other sites (in fact, even try to bring in girls from some of the other cam sites) or work for themselves (e.g., via Skype), offer some protection for both the girls and the guys, and try to get the girls addicted to the site (or at least stuck there) so they can't go elsewhere (the girls get monitored on any camsite). Apparently the owners are dicks to at least some of the girls (someone mentioned Fon said that earlier in this thread). There's a reason they didn't give a damn when the site turned from admiring muscle girls into a total porn site. It brought them a lot more money, which is more important than sticking to their guns.

If you tell yourself that the girls are actually models, then I'm sorry. You say tomato, I say pimp.
Compared to most other webcam sites in the world, the models on HBC receive the highest commissions and by a very large margin.  There's obviously no comparison when it comes to traffic volume - Streamate, LiveJasmin, etc. all have huge user bases. But they pay out 35% or less to their models, and individual models are 100% responsible for any credit card fraud or chargebacks linked to their rooms.  It may not seem like a big deal to someone who's never tried to cheat a performer before - and to be clear, almost every webcam user is honest - but a single baddie can cost a performer a lot of money on other platforms. 

We pay 100% of the deposit bonuses to the customers out-of-pocket, which means the performers actually receive a higher percentage of the money which comes into the site. So, a performer whose commission is 63% might be taking home an effective 67% of what comes into her room. 

The performers on HBC are free to work wherever they wish. There are some who've chosen to be exclusive to HBC, but none are under contract or anything like that with us. Anyone on HBC may go anywhere else at any time. There are other performers who've chosen to be exclusive to other webcam sites and - to a person - we completely respect that and wish ALL performers in this genre well.  We don't close any doors or burn any bridges, but neither do we prevent anyone from operating in her own best interests. The only restriction is that we don't allow performers to use our service as a tool to recruit for other webcam sites, including Skype or similar.  That doesn't mean a performer is prevented from selling her own personal webcam shows via her own website. 

Having dealt with several hundred women over the years, there are some who don't like Mike, me, or both of us for any number of reasons. In my case, it's normally because I didn't send them copies of photos we shot. In Mike's case, it's normally for a problem he didn't even know existed.   :funny:  That's just the nature of the beast, though - sometimes you'll offend someone over something seemingly benign without ever being aware of it. 

Business models aside, the primary difference between the major adult webcam services and HBC is the fact that we have personal relationships with so many of the performers.  That is why we - including Jen - make a concerted effort to be fair to both the customers and performers who keep the service viable. 

Title: Re: Herbicepscam Goes Wild
Post by: FemFlexUSA on September 12, 2014, 05:56:27 pm
If you feel you where cheated in some way, then it's the only solution. Don't give the girl or the site anymore money.

We've always held the position that we want HBC to provide excellent value to both customers and performers. 

We often receive emails from clients who'll tell they spent $10-12 in a performer's room without getting a single flex. We give back tons of credits in cases like these and communicate to the performers the importance of taking care of the customers.  Now this doesn't mean that a performer is obligated to do everything a client may request, but it's quite reasonable to expect that a premium show on herBICEPScam would involve flexing.

As for 'outside deals', well, those are outside our purview. There have been instances where guys have emailed us to complain that Performer X had promised to send them a custom video or even to travel to the client's hometown for a session or date if only he would wire her the money. While those occurrences are both rare and unfortunate, we're not in any way a party to those transactions. No, we don't want anyone using our service to locate marks to scam for large or even small sums of money, but we're very clear about our position: we operate a webcam site and any non-webcam-related negotiations willingly entered into by the adults using our service are not our concern. 

If, however, you ever feel that you've been somehow cheated out of a paid show by a performer or by the system itself, please don't hesitate to email us at herbicepscam@gmail.com. We take these types of complaints very seriously and attempt to resolve them as quickly as possible. 
Title: Re: Herbicepscam Goes Wild
Post by: deerfott on September 19, 2014, 06:31:15 am
Compared to most other webcam sites in the world, the models on HBC receive the highest commissions and by a very large margin.  There's obviously no comparison when it comes to traffic volume - Streamate, LiveJasmin, etc. all have huge user bases. But they pay out 35% or less to their models, and individual models are 100% responsible for any credit card fraud or chargebacks linked to their rooms.  It may not seem like a big deal to someone who's never tried to cheat a performer before - and to be clear, almost every webcam user is honest - but a single baddie can cost a performer a lot of money on other platforms.

Actually, many other webcam sites payout 40% or more. Several HBC performers have mentioned they receive somewhere between a 45 - 48%. And as you mentioned, other camsites have a higher volume of traffic, so it likely those performers are making more money even if they receive a slightly lower percentage overall.   

If it is true that models are "100% responsible for any credit card fraud or chargebacks linked to their rooms," which seems dubious, how often does that actually happen?

We don't close any doors or burn any bridges, but neither do we prevent anyone from operating in her own best interests. The only restriction is that we don't allow performers to use our service as a tool to recruit for other webcam sites, including Skype or similar.  That doesn't mean a performer is prevented from selling her own personal webcam shows via her own website.

A completely disingenuous statement.

While much of what jq says is nonsense, he is correct about this. The "restriction" about not allowing a girl to mention "Skype or similar" works to directly "prevent anyone from operating in her own best interests." Shows via Skype are better for both the performers and the customers. It eliminates the middleman (HBC), which means the girls keep 100% of money and the fans pay a much lower rate. Obviously you know this, which is why you try to to prevent.

Also, being that most girls don't have their own sites, saying they are not "prevented from selling [their] own personal webcam shows via [their] own website" is basically meaningless.

That is why we - including Jen - make a concerted effort to be fair to both the customers and performers who keep the service viable.

If that is true, then pay the performers more and charge the customers less.
   
We've always held the position that we want HBC to provide excellent value to both customers and performers.

Again, pay the performers more and charge the customers less. If that means those that run the site make less money, so be it.

On a final note, all models should be required to use HD webcams. I think most customers, if not all, would agree with that.
Title: Re: Herbicepscam Goes Wild
Post by: Warhawk Overdrive on September 19, 2014, 09:27:17 pm
Shows via Skype are better for both the performers and the customers. It eliminates the middleman (HBC), which means the girls keep 100% of money and the fans pay a much lower rate. Obviously you know this, which is why you try to to prevent.


I barely know how skype works, so I have never done a skype show or even own a webacm but I would think there is someone who has paid a lady for a skype show through paypal and never heard from her again. But you are right, in that case she also keeps 100% of the money  ;D ANd how much do you have to play "tag" to get on at the same time?

Also is going through a webcam site safer for the ladies? I don't know what kind of info gets passed during a skype session so I don't know if there is someway for him to bother here (or the other way around) even after the show is over. I don't think the women would have that kind of problem in HBC or streamate. Would they?
Title: Re: Herbicepscam Goes Wild
Post by: crabdone on September 21, 2014, 06:54:47 pm
On a final note, all models should be required to use HD webcams. I think most customers, if not all, would agree with that.

HBC does not support HD
Title: Re: Herbicepscam Goes Wild
Post by: FemFlexUSA on September 25, 2014, 01:39:14 am
Actually, many other webcam sites payout 40% or more. Several HBC performers have mentioned they receive somewhere between a 45 - 48%. And as you mentioned, other camsites have a higher volume of traffic, so it likely those performers are making more money even if they receive a slightly lower percentage overall.   

If it is true that models are "100% responsible for any credit card fraud or chargebacks linked to their rooms," which seems dubious, how often does that actually happen?

We're happy to hear that other webcam sites are now sharing more of their revenues with the performers. We're not looking for a pat on the back, but have been that way since our opening. As for fraud, it happens often enough to be a very serious concern and is the reason we pay a much higher rate for credit card services than typical retailers do.   

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A completely disingenuous statement.

While much of what jq says is nonsense, he is correct about this. The "restriction" about not allowing a girl to mention "Skype or similar" works to directly "prevent anyone from operating in her own best interests." Shows via Skype are better for both the performers and the customers. It eliminates the middleman (HBC), which means the girls keep 100% of money and the fans pay a much lower rate. Obviously you know this, which is why you try to to prevent.

Think of it this way. A retail store in a medium-sized town has 100 employees. 75 of them begin using the store's resources for their own personal gain (without return compensation to the store) and the store goes out of business. Now 100 people are without jobs.  Were those who chose to 'act in their own interests' *really* acting in their own best interests if their actions lead to closure of the store that employed them?

I fail to see how a completely honest statement of company policy is disingenuous. HBC is not attempting to be Facebook for physique women and muscle fans. It's a market where performers can exchange labor for money and where they can also promote their personal brands to interested parties.  There are a few restrictions about what cannot be promoted or sold within the rooms.  If we were to openly permit and encourage actions which might hasten closure of the market, then I can tell you to an absolute certainty that many current (and future) performers would see their bottom lines take a significant hit.  There's a reason why so many people worldwide  choose to work on existing webcam services primarily as opposed to marketing their availability independently. As a businessperson, would you rather have 1000 potential customers or 10 guaranteed buyers?

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Also, being that most girls don't have their own sites, saying they are not "prevented from selling [their] own personal webcam shows via [their] own website" is basically meaningless.

Many of the women on HBC have Facebook, Twitter,  Insta****, etc and market their non-HBC (or HBC) services there. There's nothing preventing anyone else from doing the same.  Facebook gets several times the daily traffic of personal websites. 

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Again, pay the performers more and charge the customers less. If that means those that run the site make less money, so be it.

On a final note, all models should be required to use HD webcams. I think most customers, if not all, would agree with that.

Most of the models who've ever used HBC and who've talked to us about commissions have been happy with their compensation.  There are some who are very, very angry, however, and who feel they deserve 90% or higher commissions - an actual statement from a performer (well, 2, if you count the fact that she told another to relay her anger to me) - because she would 'get 100% of the money if she only did Skype and Paypal'.   For those who've come to us with questions about the payment structure, we've always been very honest and direct, but not everyone can understand the costs of operating a business nor an appreciation of the value of marketplaces vs being an independent on the open market.

It may seem simple on the surface to say 'give more, charge less', but it's a far more complicated matrix than one might believe. 

As for the HD question, thanks for that feedback and we do agree that the feeds should be HD.  That's a matter that we've been working on rather diligently for quite sometime.

Title: Re: Herbicepscam Goes Wild
Post by: GetIt on September 26, 2014, 03:48:25 am
To be fair, it certainly doesn't make the least bit of sense for them to allow females to adv their own private cam services on their network. That's ridiculous. What would make sense would be for them to stop kissing the ass of their performers and instead turn their attention to their customers who make all of this possible. Why is HBC nothing more than a chat service now? Why are there so many "performers" on there who are not comfortable doing any sort of posing? Honestly, what do you guys tell these girls when they join your network. "All you'll have to do is talk your way to thousands of dollars"... Why are so many scam artists allowed to use your service? Why has HD been "in the works" for several years now to no avail...
Title: Re: Herbicepscam Goes Wild
Post by: GetIt on September 26, 2014, 03:52:05 am
Why aren't customers afforded the same amount of privacy as your models? Why are there performers finding peoples address by searching their ip???
Title: Re: Herbicepscam Goes Wild
Post by: FemFlexUSA on September 26, 2014, 05:17:14 pm
Why aren't customers afforded the same amount of privacy as your models? Why are there performers finding peoples address by searching their ip???

What would make sense would be for them to stop kissing the ass of their performers and instead turn their attention to their customers who make all of this possible. Why is HBC nothing more than a chat service now? Why are there so many "performers" on there who are not comfortable doing any sort of posing? Honestly, what do you guys tell these girls when they join your network. "All you'll have to do is talk your way to thousands of dollars"... Why are so many scam artists allowed to use your service? Why has HD been "in the works" for several years now to no avail...

Hi, GetIt, and thanks for your feedback. I attempted to send you a PM regarding the privacy question, but your inbox is full right now. Please clear a space and I'll re-send. Thanks.

The HD integration seems to be far more complicated than it should be in our opinion. I wish I had a better answer for you, but please know that we are working on it.

While there are clients who primarily want to talk with the women on the site, I'm inclined to believe that a majority of customers are paying for a personalized show rather than a chat session with a little flexing thrown in.  I would think most people in business would want to get to know their clients, as there tends to be great value in building long-term relationships. Each webcam performer is operating her own small business, so even though we (HBC) handle payment collection, it's still accurate to say that the performer is the merchant and it's up to her to convince prospective customers to spend with her. Models who consistently fail to deliver value to their customers will soon find fewer people willing to spend money on them. 

I think fan forums which discuss performers serve a vital role in this regard.  If you feel you've been scammed in any way (a performer tricks you into a 5-minute 'show' without a single flex, for example), please notify us right away and we'll make an effort to resolve the concern as quickly as possible. 
Title: Re: Herbicepscam Goes Wild
Post by: GetIt on September 26, 2014, 08:30:31 pm
Hi, GetIt, and thanks for your feedback. I attempted to send you a PM regarding the privacy question, but your inbox is full right now. Please clear a space and I'll re-send. Thanks.


It should be clear now.


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The HD integration seems to be far more complicated than it should be in our opinion. I wish I had a better answer for you, but please know that we are working on it.

Your competitors came out the gate with a higher quality feed. There's no problem that the right check can't solve.


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While there are clients who primarily want to talk with the women on the site, I'm inclined to believe that a majority of customers are paying for a personalized show rather than a chat session with a little flexing thrown in.  I would think most people in business would want to get to know their clients, as there tends to be great value in building long-term relationships.

Let's stop there because you and I both know that most of your models aren't interested in building long-term relationships, especially your non-American models. How are we defining the term though, maybe our definitions are different? Is building a relationship simply finding out what the customer likes and catering to them, or is it more than that. To me it's the latter, unfortunately though you'd be lucky to get anyone to act genuine let alone build a good rapport with one another.

Take Lyndsey Dejager (I forget her cam name) for comparison, or Britt Miller. Both women would keep in touch through e-mail, often Britt would even e-mail me immediately after camming with just small talk and thanking me. Acts like that shows appreciation and goes a long way in building a relationship. A relationship where I want to come back and don't mind spending more money. Now the whole e-mail thing is just a common trick being used to get people into private with no real intention of establishing any sort of real rapport. With so many using this tactic it again makes me wonder if this is something being taught to them. To be clear, it's not even about establishing a deep friendship, I understand that the girls are there to work and earn money, I simply want to see some respect given. I don't think respect is too much to ask. Also, if I'm spending a lot of money I expect to be treated like a VIP. I don't know if that sounds self-aggrandizing, but again cam isn't cheap. If I'm paying a premium for something then it's only natural that I expect above average service.

I think the same goes for any business where there's a significant amount of money involved or there's simply an opportunity to build a stronger relationship. Golf outing with clients, lunch with clients, etc all common. All to build stronger relationships and show some appreciation. I don't think cam should be any different, in philosophy, obviously no one is going to lunch together because of cam, that's just an example.

Comparative to other cam services you'll see women give out their number for texting for select VIPs. That type of treatment is really better for everyone involved as it opens the door for more money, and these girls on HBC are making enough to at least do something that goes out of their way.

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Each webcam performer is operating her own small business, so even though we (HBC) handle payment collection, it's still accurate to say that the performer is the merchant and it's up to her to convince prospective customers to spend with her. Models who consistently fail to deliver value to their customers will soon find fewer people willing to spend money on them. 

I think fan forums which discuss performers serve a vital role in this regard.  If you feel you've been scammed in any way (a performer tricks you into a 5-minute 'show' without a single flex, for example), please notify us right away and we'll make an effort to resolve the concern as quickly as possible.

The problem with letting them operate independently is that they're still a reflection of the entire service and can impact, positively or negatively, what everyone else earns. Why allow your customers to experience sour after sour encounters. At some point it's going to affect their spending habits. Or I suppose being the only show in town allows you to get away with that. For me, I'm very weary of going pvt with anyone new as I know there's a good possibility that I'm going to waste my money. Now, if it wasn't for all of the bad experiences, that wouldn't be the case and I'd be open to giving more models a chance. In general cam has slowed down for me anyway, the concept is weird and it gets even more weird when you know the girl on the other end only wants to talk, so you talk and then feel even more weird if you ask her to take her shirt off. It's just weird. Then on the other end it becomes frustrating when the other half are nothing but scam artists. But, this is what happens when you allow them to act however they please.
Title: Re: Herbicepscam Goes Wild
Post by: FemFlexUSA on September 26, 2014, 10:17:09 pm
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The HD integration seems to be far more complicated than it should be in our opinion. I wish I had a better answer for you, but please know that we are working on it.

Your competitors came out the gate with a higher quality feed. There's no problem that the right check can't solve.

We paid for the development costs of that and while we're happy that our friends are benefiting from it, we're frustrated that the simplified interface was not built for integration into our site. While the casual observer might think the best solution is just to switch over to the newest version and abandon the existing platform completely, the database structures are different. The simplified HD interface has to be completed. 

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While there are clients who primarily want to talk with the women on the site, I'm inclined to believe that a majority of customers are paying for a personalized show rather than a chat session with a little flexing thrown in.  I would think most people in business would want to get to know their clients, as there tends to be great value in building long-term relationships.

Let's stop there because you and I both know that most of your models aren't interested in building long-term relationships, especially your non-American models. How are we defining the term though, maybe our definitions are different? Is building a relationship simply finding out what the customer likes and catering to them, or is it more than that. To me it's the latter, unfortunately though you'd be lucky to get anyone to act genuine let alone build a good rapport with one another.

Take Lyndsey Dejager (I forget her cam name) for comparison, or Britt Miller. Both women would keep in touch through e-mail, often Britt would even e-mail me immediately after camming with just small talk and thanking me. Acts like that shows appreciation and goes a long way in building a relationship. A relationship where I want to come back and don't mind spending more money. Now the whole e-mail thing is just a common trick being used to get people into private with no real intention of establishing any sort of real rapport. With so many using this tactic it again makes me wonder if this is something being taught to them. To be clear, it's not even about establishing a deep friendship, I understand that the girls are there to work and earn money, I simply want to see some respect given. I don't think respect is too much to ask. Also, if I'm spending a lot of money I expect to be treated like a VIP. I don't know if that sounds self-aggrandizing, but again cam isn't cheap. If I'm paying a premium for something then it's only natural that I expect above average service.

I think the same goes for any business where there's a significant amount of money involved or there's simply an opportunity to build a stronger relationship. Golf outing with clients, lunch with clients, etc all common. All to build stronger relationships and show some appreciation. I don't think cam should be any different, in philosophy, obviously no one is going to lunch together because of cam, that's just an example.

Comparative to other cam services you'll see women give out their number for texting for select VIPs. That type of treatment is really better for everyone involved as it opens the door for more money, and these girls on HBC are making enough to at least do something that goes out of their way.

When I say long-term relationship, I'm talking about building a provider-customer relationship. If that means that a true friendship or even a love affair results, great, but our primary interest is in the providers learning how to retain their customers. Each provider has a unique skill set (for lack of a better term), just as each client has unique tastes. Yes, the focus should be on giving the customer a great show for however long they are in the room, and if that happens, then the customer is more likely to return. Over time, the client's interests may evolve, just as the provider's offerings may change. And over time, they may want that they want or need different things from one another. 

You're absolutely right that HBC is a premium service and, as such, you have a reasonable right to expect to be treated that way. We take ownership of the fact that the system should be robust enough to do more for our VIPs. No excuses - we need to continue working towards this end. 
 
We only have the two megashoots annually in Vegas, but over the years, many fans/customers have been able to drop by, hang out, and have a drink or bite to eat with the crew.  Work has priority and we can't let people just move in, but this is something that's always been welcomed as a small thank-you to the guys who make it all possible.

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Each webcam performer is operating her own small business, so even though we (HBC) handle payment collection, it's still accurate to say that the performer is the merchant and it's up to her to convince prospective customers to spend with her. Models who consistently fail to deliver value to their customers will soon find fewer people willing to spend money on them. 

I think fan forums which discuss performers serve a vital role in this regard.  If you feel you've been scammed in any way (a performer tricks you into a 5-minute 'show' without a single flex, for example), please notify us right away and we'll make an effort to resolve the concern as quickly as possible.
The problem with letting them operate independently is that they're still a reflection of the entire service and can impact, positively or negatively, what everyone else earns. Why allow your customers to experience sour after sour encounters. At some point it's going to affect their spending habits. Or I suppose being the only show in town allows you to get away with that. For me, I'm very weary of going pvt with anyone new as I know there's a good possibility that I'm going to waste my money. Now, if it wasn't for all of the bad experiences, that wouldn't be the case and I'd be open to giving more models a chance. In general cam has slowed down for me anyway, the concept is weird and it gets even more weird when you know the girl on the other end only wants to talk, so you talk and then feel even more weird if you ask her to take her shirt off. It's just weird. Then on the other end it becomes frustrating when the other half are nothing but scam artists. But, this is what happens when you allow them to act however they please.

Again, you are 100% correct in that bolded section.  If each performer truly acts in her own best interests, then the tide will lift all boats.  But when one chooses the selfish route - regardless of the reason why - and leaves a client with a bad taste in his mouth, then all performers and the system are adversely affected by those actions.  You flat-out nailed it there and this is something we do talk to new performers about and we even have this conversation with women who've been with us for years, but need the occasional reminder.

Most of the customer complaints we get are along the lines of "Model X kicked me out of her room and I didn't do anything wrong!", but the frequency of reports where a customer feels legitimately cheated by a performer is quite low, thankfully....that is, unless it's happening a lot more than we know about, causing customers to quit silently and not return. This is why we want people to inform us when they've had these negative experiences. I know we're not a regular retailer or Main St. service provider, but just like those businesses, we would much rather a dissatisfied customer tell us what went wrong and give us the opportunity to make them whole rather than to just walk away and become a former customer.  I know Mike and I can seem a bit aloof at times, but believe me when I say that neither of us is too proud to ask what we can do (within reason, of course) to win - or win back - your business. 
Title: Re: Herbicepscam Goes Wild
Post by: GetIt on September 26, 2014, 11:21:20 pm
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The HD integration seems to be far more complicated than it should be in our opinion. I wish I had a better answer for you, but please know that we are working on it.

Your competitors came out the gate with a higher quality feed. There's no problem that the right check can't solve.

We paid for the development costs of that and while we're happy that our friends are benefiting from it, we're frustrated that the simplified interface was not built for integration into our site. While the casual observer might think the best solution is just to switch over to the newest version and abandon the existing platform completely, the database structures are different. The simplified HD interface has to be completed. 

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While there are clients who primarily want to talk with the women on the site, I'm inclined to believe that a majority of customers are paying for a personalized show rather than a chat session with a little flexing thrown in.  I would think most people in business would want to get to know their clients, as there tends to be great value in building long-term relationships.

Let's stop there because you and I both know that most of your models aren't interested in building long-term relationships, especially your non-American models. How are we defining the term though, maybe our definitions are different? Is building a relationship simply finding out what the customer likes and catering to them, or is it more than that. To me it's the latter, unfortunately though you'd be lucky to get anyone to act genuine let alone build a good rapport with one another.

Take Lyndsey Dejager (I forget her cam name) for comparison, or Britt Miller. Both women would keep in touch through e-mail, often Britt would even e-mail me immediately after camming with just small talk and thanking me. Acts like that shows appreciation and goes a long way in building a relationship. A relationship where I want to come back and don't mind spending more money. Now the whole e-mail thing is just a common trick being used to get people into private with no real intention of establishing any sort of real rapport. With so many using this tactic it again makes me wonder if this is something being taught to them. To be clear, it's not even about establishing a deep friendship, I understand that the girls are there to work and earn money, I simply want to see some respect given. I don't think respect is too much to ask. Also, if I'm spending a lot of money I expect to be treated like a VIP. I don't know if that sounds self-aggrandizing, but again cam isn't cheap. If I'm paying a premium for something then it's only natural that I expect above average service.

I think the same goes for any business where there's a significant amount of money involved or there's simply an opportunity to build a stronger relationship. Golf outing with clients, lunch with clients, etc all common. All to build stronger relationships and show some appreciation. I don't think cam should be any different, in philosophy, obviously no one is going to lunch together because of cam, that's just an example.

Comparative to other cam services you'll see women give out their number for texting for select VIPs. That type of treatment is really better for everyone involved as it opens the door for more money, and these girls on HBC are making enough to at least do something that goes out of their way.

When I say long-term relationship, I'm talking about building a provider-customer relationship. If that means that a true friendship or even a love affair results, great, but our primary interest is in the providers learning how to retain their customers. Each provider has a unique skill set (for lack of a better term), just as each client has unique tastes. Yes, the focus should be on giving the customer a great show for however long they are in the room, and if that happens, then the customer is more likely to return. Over time, the client's interests may evolve, just as the provider's offerings may change. And over time, they may want that they want or need different things from one another. 

You're absolutely right that HBC is a premium service and, as such, you have a reasonable right to expect to be treated that way. We take ownership of the fact that the system should be robust enough to do more for our VIPs. No excuses - we need to continue working towards this end. 
 
We only have the two megashoots annually in Vegas, but over the years, many fans/customers have been able to drop by, hang out, and have a drink or bite to eat with the crew.  Work has priority and we can't let people just move in, but this is something that's always been welcomed as a small thank-you to the guys who make it all possible.

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Each webcam performer is operating her own small business, so even though we (HBC) handle payment collection, it's still accurate to say that the performer is the merchant and it's up to her to convince prospective customers to spend with her. Models who consistently fail to deliver value to their customers will soon find fewer people willing to spend money on them. 

I think fan forums which discuss performers serve a vital role in this regard.  If you feel you've been scammed in any way (a performer tricks you into a 5-minute 'show' without a single flex, for example), please notify us right away and we'll make an effort to resolve the concern as quickly as possible.
The problem with letting them operate independently is that they're still a reflection of the entire service and can impact, positively or negatively, what everyone else earns. Why allow your customers to experience sour after sour encounters. At some point it's going to affect their spending habits. Or I suppose being the only show in town allows you to get away with that. For me, I'm very weary of going pvt with anyone new as I know there's a good possibility that I'm going to waste my money. Now, if it wasn't for all of the bad experiences, that wouldn't be the case and I'd be open to giving more models a chance. In general cam has slowed down for me anyway, the concept is weird and it gets even more weird when you know the girl on the other end only wants to talk, so you talk and then feel even more weird if you ask her to take her shirt off. It's just weird. Then on the other end it becomes frustrating when the other half are nothing but scam artists. But, this is what happens when you allow them to act however they please.

Again, you are 100% correct in that bolded section.  If each performer truly acts in her own best interests, then the tide will lift all boats.  But when one chooses the selfish route - regardless of the reason why - and leaves a client with a bad taste in his mouth, then all performers and the system are adversely affected by those actions.  You flat-out nailed it there and this is something we do talk to new performers about and we even have this conversation with women who've been with us for years, but need the occasional reminder.

Most of the customer complaints we get are along the lines of "Model X kicked me out of her room and I didn't do anything wrong!", but the frequency of reports where a customer feels legitimately cheated by a performer is quite low, thankfully....that is, unless it's happening a lot more than we know about, causing customers to quit silently and not return. This is why we want people to inform us when they've had these negative experiences. I know we're not a regular retailer or Main St. service provider, but just like those businesses, we would much rather a dissatisfied customer tell us what went wrong and give us the opportunity to make them whole rather than to just walk away and become a former customer.  I know Mike and I can seem a bit aloof at times, but believe me when I say that neither of us is too proud to ask what we can do (within reason, of course) to win - or win back - your business.

Well said on all points, that is a little reassuring to hear, I just hope a lot of this can actually materialize in the future. Just to clarify I'm not expecting any love affairs or anything in that regard to take shape. I'm also aware that you've had some high profile athletes on your site in the past, and it's reasonable for them to want to protect their identity. All of that is fine. If you only want to communicate on cam, np, simply say so instead of lieing. Also, if I'm a regular customer and currently in your premium and you skip over me for someone with more money, without saying anything, to me that's a little rude. Not asking for friendships, just a little common courtesy.
Title: Re: Mia at Herbiceps cam
Post by: thawit77 on February 20, 2016, 11:17:26 pm
Anyone know if she does sessions?
Title: Re: Herbicepscam, how to pay
Post by: petitfilou87 on August 04, 2018, 04:08:47 pm
it's impossible for me to add money now and I've Always the same credit card ? and for you that work ?
Title: Re: Mia at Herbiceps cam
Post by: diggs on April 25, 2019, 08:32:15 pm
Mia is one of my all time favorite cam girls. I wish I could find pics of her though.
Title: Re: Herbicepscam, how to pay
Post by: the duke22 on July 11, 2020, 11:04:08 pm
Has anyone had trouble getting their payments to go through? Every time I try to buy credits it logs me out.
Title: Re: Herbicepscam, how to pay
Post by: tim1 on August 30, 2020, 07:07:52 pm
Seems like a lot of hassle to have to save off the video by screen capture. When the cost was stated, is that by minutes or something else ?
Title: Re: Herbicepscam, how to pay
Post by: herbiceps on October 19, 2020, 08:49:57 pm
When the cost was stated, is that by minutes or something else ?

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